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Hey, Matt, you live in a hundred-year-old house, right?

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I do, in fact.

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Is it haunted?

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Uh, it might have been.

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Do you have it exorcised?

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No, but anything I thought was haunted, I demolished immediately.

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'Cause I was taking no chance for this place.

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[laughs]

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[laughs]

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Hello and welcome to the indie film lodge,

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a podcast about the nuts and bolts of independent filmmaking

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from the bottom up, I'm Matt Jackson.

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I'm Robb Padgett, and today the conversation

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much like my high school love life will all be about doing it yourself.

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And today's guest is Justin DiPego, who made 1915 House,

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or is it #1915House?

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I, uh, actually don't know, what is it?

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It is #1915House.

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Very cool. Hey, nice to meet you, Justin.

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Thank you for coming on the show.

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Uh, nice to meet you, and thank you for having me on the show.

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Well, thank you for doing something cool,

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so that you could be on the show, and we could talk to you about it.

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See?

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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Well, that's why all these years ago,

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I bought a house in 2015, and I was like,

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"This 100-year-old house just might get me onto a podcast."

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There you go. That's the long play.

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I appreciate that.

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Yeah.

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Uh, so tell us about #1915House.

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What is it for people who haven't seen it?

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Well, it is, I mean, what it is is a found footage horror film,

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ghost story about a guy who happens to be named Justin DiPego,

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fixing up a 100-year-old house,

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and discovering as he does so that it is indeed haunted,

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and how is he going to deal with that?

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Uh, the sort of the log line was one man, one camera,

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100-year-old house.

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Nice.

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I really enjoyed it.

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I like the, uh, the structure of it.

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I like to have it played with the, um,

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I don't know, is vlog the right term for this?

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It might have been when he started.

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Yeah.

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I really like the, the structure of it,

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because I felt, I felt like I was getting sucked into the, the story.

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I actually learned a lot about, uh, DIY stuff,

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about breaking down walls and stuff.

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I was like, oh, this is nice added value.

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Yeah, score the paint before you try to take panels off the wall.

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There you go.

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Tiles off the fireplace.

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Yeah.

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Well, all of those things are real.

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I mean, the real in the sense that, if it's really my house,

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I really am fixing it up,

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and I really am making how to DIY home improvement videos.

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And at a certain point, I got, I know I'm jumping ahead,

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but here's a piece of advice.

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How dare you jump ahead?

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Yeah, I know.

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Don't do, uh, videos of yourself fixing your house.

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If you care about actually fixing your house,

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in a reasonable amount of time,

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because I'm sure you won't be surprised to hear that,

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especially if you're doing this by yourself,

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just putting a camera on yourself,

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and then doing the project makes the project take

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probably three times as long.

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And then editing it and all of that.

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So it's like, I was, it was taking forever

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to actually do the renovations that this house really did need.

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Did you ever purposefully not finish a renovation

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because you wanted the continuity for the show?

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No, because what happened was,

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as I reached a certain point in the shooting of the real videos,

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and I was like, I can't keep doing this.

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This is, uh,

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I have, but I have all this footage.

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And what am I going to do with all this footage?

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Because I'm not about to end up with a legitimate beginning

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to end record of me fixing up this house,

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because I'll never finish if that's the goal.

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But there had been a moment when I took the mirror down in the bathroom,

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when a friend of mine, because I was posting videos as I go,

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the real videos, no ghosts.

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And a friend of mine commented on the video

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where I took the bathroom, the sink down in the bathroom.

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And he was like, you have to paint something on that wall.

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I was like, oh, shit, you're right.

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I have to paint something on that wall.

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And that's when I painted sort of the signature image of the entity

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that is sort of the spirit of the house.

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But it's this sort of ghoulish silhouette

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with clawed hands coming right at you.

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And so I really did, in real life, paint that behind the mirror

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before I put the mirror back up.

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Can I talk about that for a second?

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Because I was very impressed with that painting

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that you made at the time, especially when you zoomed in on it

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and I saw the brush strokes.

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I'm like, oh, this was considered.

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Oh, this is-- he was making art back here.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I go deep.

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Is it still there behind your back?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Like in another 100 years or so, someone

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will either renovate or knock this house down.

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It'll freak the hell out of them.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I will be so pleased whatever I am.

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I'll tell you, my life goal is to leave some kind of weird ass

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notes in the walls of this house just to freak out

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whoever moves in next just to--

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Hell yeah, yeah.

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Do it.

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There's the scene where I'm crawling through the attic.

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And I find the list of names.

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That was real.

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I mean, I found a list of names.

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But then I recreated that because there

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was no audio of me crawling in that attic.

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And so that was actually the only--

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that scene inside the attic that was all still photos.

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That's the only scene in the whole movie that was scripted.

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Because I had to go back, and I knew I wasn't going to be on camera.

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And I was like, well, I'm not going to ad-lib just audio.

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Sure.

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Doesn't make sense.

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And so I scripted it.

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And then I like, army crawled around the floor in my office

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while I was recording the audio to recreate me going

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from joist to joist in the attic.

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But indeed, that list of names.

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And it was the real names that I read out.

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That's amazing.

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I don't know who those people were on this hit list,

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but they're no longer with us.

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I just love this image of somebody walking in on you.

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Army crawling on the ground, broad daylight, like,

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oh, I found this thing.

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If this is this, what are you doing?

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There are a lot of things when you're making a movie all by yourself,

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no crew.

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There are a lot of things that you're doing

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that are somehow more embarrassing than if there was a whole crew

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there watching you do them.

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Well, when you have somebody else there, you walk in on it,

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you assume there's an understanding.

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I mean, the person who's watching knows what's happening.

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So it must be OK.

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This makes some kind of sense.

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I mean, totally.

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Otherwise, what are they doing here?

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I feel like there's a critical mass that, you know,

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if it's less than five and one person is doing something weird

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and four people are watching it.

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And a sixth person walks in.

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There's some explaining to do.

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But if you have a crew of like 10 and one person is doing a weird thing,

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you're like, oh, I get it.

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It's a group thing.

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It's a pickup.

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Yeah, totally.

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One thing that won't happen if you have a crew is you

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won't get trapped in a full body, including the head green suit.

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And that did happen to me.

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There's no dexterity on the fingers on those things.

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So I'm trying to undo the zipper behind my head.

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And I'm alone at home.

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And I'm like, I can't be sitting here in this green suit

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when my wife gets home.

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It's like my greatest goal in life is to not

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be wearing this green suit when my wife gets home.

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I don't know.

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I think you could have played it off real nice.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I'd like to pour yourself a scotch, just a downright fire.

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What are you doing?

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You know, hanging out.

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Just green it out, man.

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So then I guess we can go to the inspiration.

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And was the mirror the inspiration for the whole thing?

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Once the thing with the mirror happened, then I was like, oh,

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I know what I'm going to do with all this footage that I shot.

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And then I went back and I started adding all of the weirdness

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into the stuff that I had already shot.

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So everything up to--

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you know, I watched it kind of recently,

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but I didn't pinpoint where did I actually

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have any start shooting new footage.

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I should have done that.

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But almost all of it is original footage,

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except that I've adding layers in the background of like

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the little exposures and the little smoke monsters.

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Little smoke monsters and that mirror gag in the very first

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tour of the house.

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I love it, it's sort of like locked in, like, oh, shit.

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And figuring out how to do that mirror gag was--

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That was--

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So I didn't like--

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God, I figured it out.

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I got a green screen off of wish.

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And for $19, I got a 10 by 12-foot green screen with a stand.

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And so anyway, so I went back into the original footage

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and just started adding these little weird touches

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because that was the inspiration, was that painting

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behind the thing and it solved my problem.

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What am I going to do with all this footage?

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So I remember-- I've known Justin for a long time.

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I remember when you were making the actual thing,

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when you bought the house and you were fixing it up--

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Right.

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And then there was a point in the middle,

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like you started talking about ghosts in the promotion

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of the videos.

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Right.

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What the hell is he doing?

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Yeah.

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What did he talk about ghosts?

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I couldn't figure out what was going on until you released--

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you know, when you still-- you talked about the project more.

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I was like, oh, what a cool idea, but I was so confused for so long.

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Me too.

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Because I would just see it on Facebook,

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or wherever, or wherever, and stuff.

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Exactly.

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And it was because I was working backwards,

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I was working from all the footage I had already shot.

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There was no script.

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I'm a writer at my core.

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And so to be making-- for my first feature to have no script

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was this really weird backwards thing for me.

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Sure.

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But I also love editing.

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I mean, I don't mean film editing.

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I mean, as a writer, I love editing myself.

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Sure.

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I love working on my second draft more than my first draft.

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Everybody.

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And I also love upcycling.

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And so that's what this was.

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It was this upcycling project.

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I have so many questions real quick.

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Do you have any reality experience?

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I have literally no experience with reality.

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That's so crazy.

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Because--

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He means I have a reality.

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He means I have a reality.

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Yeah, I understand.

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Well, because I spent years as a story producer.

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And a story producer, you get footage,

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and you just kind of like, you figure out how the pieces fit together

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and figure out new ways to put it together.

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Right, right.

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It's really exciting.

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I call it writing in reverse, where it's carving from stone

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as opposed to building with clay.

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Like if you're a sculptor, you get the clay and you kind of build up

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your image and you kind of build out from there.

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But the other kind of sculptor is like, you have the block of marble,

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and it doesn't change.

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And you're like, all right, well, I'll get them to get a chip away

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these pieces and find the master piece inside.

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And that's-- honestly, I'm not a huge fan of reality,

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but I love the practice of finding this story that's

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hidden in the footage.

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And that sounds like exactly what you were doing.

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Exactly.

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If the bottom hadn't dropped out of reality,

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it sounds like it would be a good place for you to be.

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Yeah, I mean, that kind of storytelling is fascinating to me,

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just because I'm always curious about what's happening.

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I had a professor in college that described it

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as the elbows of the action, right?

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So like if you imagine a proscenium stage,

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as if the actors are being manipulated by giant hands

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on the proscenium, moving the characters around and stuff like that,

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but what are the elbows doing?

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And it's always been fascinating to me.

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Like, oh, well, what if you just move your perspective over?

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And that's kind of what 1915--

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I'm sorry, #1915House--

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was because the ghosts, especially in the first half,

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all of the supernatural things are really the elbows.

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The hands that you can see, all the-- is me in the foreground

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installing a sink, or this is how you take down paneling and stuff

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like that.

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Actually, you see me build very few things in the movie

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because when I actually had to start building things in real life,

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was at the point where I was like, I can't

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keep shooting footage of myself doing these projects.

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Because for instance, the drywall--

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you don't see me install the drywall in the movie

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because it's not a process that I enjoy doing.

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And so I'm going to spend three times longer installing drywall

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than I should just because it's a camera on me.

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No, I would rather fight a ghost.

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[LAUGHTER]

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I did like the pedestal sink that you fabricated.

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Yeah, it was really nice.

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I learned a lot about how to fabricate all this nonsense.

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So I was like, oh, hey, I feel like I could do that.

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If I had a jigsaw, I was afraid it was going to cut my face off.

315
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Oh, yeah.

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I was really jealous of the space you had to work on at your house.

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That my garage, I mean, I really did inherit

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this incredible workshop garage from the previous owner

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who had lived here for 50 years is incredible.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it looked like such a great space, too.

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And then I utilized that space.

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OK, so here are the only things that I spent money on.

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I spent $19 on the green screen.

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I don't know how much money on the full body green suit.

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But then I took the green screen to Home Depot, and they scanned it.

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And I used that to buy paint.

328
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Oh, nice.

329
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So I bought a gallon of green screen paint for like 20 bucks.

330
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If you buy the real stuff, it's like a hundred bucks a gallon.

331
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Yeah, right, yeah, yeah.

332
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You just need a solid color.

333
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So you're in a vicinity of green and it's--

334
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

335
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Yeah.

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And then I built flats so that I turned my back patio into a studio.

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So I had two eight-foot tall, 12-foot long flats that were green on one side.

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And then on the other side were--

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you could see the bare framing.

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So all the scenes that are like me between the walls.

341
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Yeah.

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I was wondering about that.

343
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I was like, you don't have that space in your house, do you?

344
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Right.

345
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Because that would be cool.

346
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So those are the two flats parallel, like back-to-back parallel to each other.

347
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But that was also one of those flats lying down on its back.

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So the framing was facing up.

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And then the other one basically lying on top of me, that was the scene where I'm in my

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own attic.

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Where I'm like, I'm in the attic with all my stuff.

352
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Those are the flats.

353
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I didn't shoot that in the attic.

354
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So the lumber for those flats, the gallon of paint and the green screens, that's the only thing

355
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I spent money on.

356
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And the house.

357
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Well, and--

358
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That probably shot your budget through the roof.

359
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Yeah, that was more budget than I had.

360
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That probably makes me the most expensive show that's been on your podcast.

361
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Because you're right.

362
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You have to buy the house, but I do still have the house.

363
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Well, there you go.

364
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That's true.

365
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And the green screen.

366
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And now you're getting those tax incentives from California to turn it into a studio.

367
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Yeah.

368
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Wait a minute.

369
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Yeah.

370
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You're good.

371
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You're right.

372
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Your house is a movie set.

373
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Like, come on.

374
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Work the system.

375
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All right.

376
00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,000
So I want to take just a quick step back.

377
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I love this.

378
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I love this.

379
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I love what we're doing.

380
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I love hearing all the stuff.

381
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I am so inspired by this whole thing.

382
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But before we get deeper into the DIY stuff, I want to know, not just for me, but for anybody

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else.

384
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Like, did you look to any other movies for inspiration when you're making this thing?

385
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Or were you just kind of carte blanche?

386
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You're like, I mean, I guess I'll make a ghost story.

387
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Was there anything you looked at?

388
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Yes, definitely.

389
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Because I was trying to-- I watched a lot of 1950s, 1960s, B horror movies that were like

390
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super low budget horror movies, monster movies where you don't ever really get to see the

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monster because they didn't have the budget.

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And so I can't even name them because they're-- I mean, but it's the kind of stuff that's

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all over Tubi now.

394
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Sure.

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And I just consumed as much of that as I can because I was like, where are they putting

396
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the camera?

397
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And what are they doing with shadows?

398
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And especially when I got to the point where I was either some of like the last, I don't

399
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know, 10 or 15 minutes of the movies is new footage.

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And so that's where I was really trying to figure out my lighting and stuff like that in

401
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terms of making it spooky.

402
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The other stuff, the earlier stuff my lighting was all about not making-- I don't want it to

403
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be spooky.

404
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I want you to be able to see what I'm doing with the hammer, you know?

405
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So knowing that, how do I back in the monster, but you can't see the monster?

406
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And so I watched a lot of those.

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And then I knew that I wasn't going to be able to have a score for the film because I wanted

408
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it to be all found footage and all diegetic sounds.

409
00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:51,640
Right.

410
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So it's like, it wouldn't make sense for me to have like eerie strings or or or anything

411
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like that setting the tone.

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So that was all room tone.

413
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And so I did watch quite a bit of Stanley Kubrick stuff.

414
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I was actually The Shining, but also 2001, just listening because his room tone is so specific.

415
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And so I really liked #1915House.

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I'm happy with what I did for as janky as some of it looks and all of that.

417
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But the sound design on it, I'm really proud of.

418
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I almost all of it is me.

419
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There are a couple of sounds that I got from a library.

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Anytime you hear me use a power tool, there's a sound underneath the sound of the tool that's

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the name of the sound is something like kindergarten recess or something.

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And so you hear all these kids laughing and screaming every time I pull the trigger on

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a power tool.

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And so that's just weird.

425
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But everything else is, yeah, dialing in that room tone.

426
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How do you achieve those silences that are unsettling?

427
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Yeah, they're kind of oppressive.

428
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:04,560
Yeah.

429
00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,560
Room tone that echoes in your ear.

430
00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:07,560
Right.

431
00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:13,120
So I ran the tub and it's just like with water, just gushing out of it and then I changed

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the pitch of it and slowed it down.

433
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And you never, it just sounds like a hiss at the end.

434
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But still, there's always something a little bit wrong with it.

435
00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,280
Yeah.

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I remember talking to Travis Greene.

437
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Travis Greene was all about the importance of sound and how.

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It's the thing you don't notice that adds the layer of storytelling to the whole thing,

439
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like having kindergarten laugh every time there's that nail goes in the wall.

440
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Yeah, power tool.

441
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That's awesome.

442
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:42,800
That's incredible.

443
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I didn't quite notice it, but now I want to go back and rewatch it so I can hear it.

444
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Oh, you know what the sound, the name of the sound is, you're like, oh, yeah.

445
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That doesn't sound like a drill.

446
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But that's crazy that you were looking at those and not, I watched it and reminded me of

447
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I Am a Ghost.

448
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Have you ever seen I Am a Ghost?

449
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No.

450
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It's this movie came out in 2012.

451
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It's a ghost story from the perspective of a ghost.

452
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I got that from that time.

453
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Yeah.

454
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But it is a very mundane vibe to it.

455
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And slowly you see like other people like the real people and you hear the them like

456
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do stuff with a poltergeist.

457
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It's terrifying.

458
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It's so cool.

459
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But this, this had that that kind of rustic lo-fi vibe that reminded me of it.

460
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Yeah.

461
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Also, it reminded me of a show that I cannot find and I am so frustrated.

462
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A buddy of mine wrote this thing called Hellhole, which is not the version of Hellhole that is

463
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all over IMDB, but was them.

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It's about somebody who bought a house and opened up a floorboard and discovered a portal

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to Hell, but then just ended up like hanging out with it.

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So it just seems of him in his lawn sharing a beer with his portal to Hell.

467
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I love it.

468
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I love it because that's essentially the conclusion, no spoilers, I guess, but you know, I mean

469
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that we live with our ghosts in the house and it's part of my bio and you know, it's like

470
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you know, living in a haunted house in South Los Angeles with his wife and their dog

471
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and they're not exorcising the house.

472
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We already have a problem with the living homeless.

473
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:16,800
Yeah.

474
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We don't need the dead homeless.

475
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,400
We don't need the homeless.

476
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,400
You don't need the homeless.

477
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,400
You don't need the homeless.

478
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,400
You don't need the homeless.

479
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,400
You don't need the homeless.

480
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,400
You don't need the homeless.

481
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,400
You don't need the homeless.

482
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,400
You don't need the homeless.

483
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,400
You don't need the homeless.

484
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,400
You don't need the homeless.

485
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Yeah.

486
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That's how you get a Ghostbuster situation and nobody wants that.

487
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So then the next stop on our journey is what we call the OPM.

488
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We've heard the show before that we're not totally in love with how we've named this thing,

489
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but it works.

490
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It sounds like a medical condition.

491
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It does.

492
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,880
It does.

493
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You have OPM.

494
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,880
Oh, no, probably.

495
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,880
I guess.

496
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,880
We probably get some kind of pill that might give you suicidal thoughts.

497
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:49,880
It will also give you suicidal thoughts, but there's three elements to every movie.

498
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It's the thing that got you super obsessed that you're like, I have to make this.

499
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,160
It's the pivot, the moment that you're like, oh, no, nothing's working.

500
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I need to totally shift my whole thing.

501
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,480
And then the miracle of this shouldn't have happened and it did.

502
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:09,120
So you kind of explained your inspiration for starting #1915House.

503
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:11,760
But was it the medium you want to do something?

504
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,000
You're not just fixing up your house without a camera on you.

505
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,440
Well, I think that's where my obsession comes in because my obsession, and this is going

506
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,560
to sound really pretentious, it's the right place for it, but I am.

507
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,560
Yeah.

508
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,560
This is a podcast.

509
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,560
That's what we do.

510
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:28,560
Yeah, right.

511
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,600
I'm a guy with a microphone on a podcast that gets to be.

512
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My obsession is storytelling.

513
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:44,840
I try in every endeavor to use all the tools at my disposal to tell the given story.

514
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,640
That's my obsession.

515
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:53,280
Applying that to fixing up my house, how am I going to turn fixing up my house into a story?

516
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:59,560
And the story that I was telling, and this is where the pivot comes in, the story that

517
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,720
I was telling wasn't working for me.

518
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,440
It's telling the story of fixing up a house from beginning to end.

519
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,800
I was like, I'm bored.

520
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,680
If I'm bored, nobody's going to want to watch this.

521
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,320
I don't want to set up a camera and show me putting up drywall.

522
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,040
Nobody wants to see that.

523
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,040
I would like to see that.

524
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,680
I don't know how to put up drywall, but I understand your point.

525
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:23,680
Yeah, I do.

526
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:24,680
I'll do a special episode.

527
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,440
I'll get the ghost back in here.

528
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,320
And the ghosts and I will put up some drywall.

529
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:41,200
So that was the pivot, how am I going to-- and also, I think it was before we started rolling,

530
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:48,200
but I was sitting at this corporate desk doing home improvement DIY content.

531
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,880
They had a huge home improvement website.

532
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:58,240
And under that umbrella, I was creating the kind of content that #1915House in its original

533
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,880
iteration was destined to be.

534
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:08,200
But all of a sudden, I had left that corporate world because I hated it.

535
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,640
That's a different podcast.

536
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,480
And so I'm not there anymore.

537
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,800
All of a sudden, I'm by myself making this DIY content.

538
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:23,560
And my YouTube channel went from essentially having hundreds of thousands or maybe millions

539
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:33,400
of eyeballs on my work every week to having dozens because I left this huge juggernaut.

540
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,400
And then now I'm doing it by myself, literally DIY.

541
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,160
And so I was like, you know, this isn't-- I can't do this.

542
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,880
I can't do this by myself.

543
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,520
I mean, maybe other people do.

544
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,880
I'm not saying it's impossible.

545
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,160
I'm saying I was not in a place where I can keep doing this.

546
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,640
I'm not enjoying it.

547
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,160
And so I had to do that pivot.

548
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,120
I turned it into a ghost story.

549
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:59,080
And now I have a story to tell.

550
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,960
Now I have something to offer that you're not going to get from all of the other drywall

551
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,640
videos on YouTube.

552
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:12,520
So that when you watch me make a sink that I'm calling the skeleton sink and there's a skeleton

553
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:18,800
swinging in the background, it's like, aha, now I know why I'm watching this guy build

554
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,400
a skeleton pedestal.

555
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,520
So that was my pivot and it was like, I was myself again.

556
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,520
Yeah.

557
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:26,520
It's a big thing.

558
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,000
That moment, because I'll have that when I write scripts where you're writing it and you're

559
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,480
like, this sucks.

560
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,400
Or you're just get bored with a scene.

561
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,800
You get bored with the character and just like, oh, this sucks.

562
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,120
But I should finish it.

563
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:39,120
So it's finished.

564
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:43,360
And you've got to realize that, like, no, if it's boring for you, it's boring for everybody

565
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:44,360
else.

566
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:45,360
And I'm fucking bail out.

567
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,680
Or find a way to make it interesting.

568
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:55,280
And I think realizing that before you amassed another 100,000 viewers that just wanted to watch

569
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,000
you put up drywall, you could make something that actually interested you.

570
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,440
And I suspect there was also a sunken cost sort of deal with the footage that you already

571
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,440
shot of your house.

572
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,560
And at the point, you're like, oh, I'm going to turn this into a story.

573
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,640
So like you said, found footage.

574
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,880
You found your own footage.

575
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,880
Exactly.

576
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,880
Yes.

577
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:12,880
Because I love to repurpose stuff too.

578
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,400
In fact, if I wish I had more drive, I would take old projects that I made and turn

579
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,400
them into something else.

580
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,800
My father was an artist and he always did that kind of stuff.

581
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,080
So we got art in our living room that I have to explain to my kids.

582
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:30,280
Like, here's this collage that he made out of other pieces of art he had made before,

583
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,880
which is kind of annoying to me because I like the old art, but he was always cutting it

584
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,760
up and turning it into something else.

585
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,760
Sure.

586
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,560
I can't stop myself from doing that.

587
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:45,040
In fact, I just recently took 1915 House, sorry, hashtag 1915 House.

588
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,040
You've got a 1915 House.

589
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,760
We're not going to call the cops on you until we're done with it.

590
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,760
I'm apologizing to myself.

591
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:57,280
I'm apologizing to the entity of my home who insists that I say it correctly.

592
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:03,680
I took it and I edited it down into between like one and three minute segments and I put

593
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,680
it up on TikTok.

594
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,440
It's 1915 House.

595
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:15,960
I actually shot it between 1915 and 1916 and then the movie 1915 House came out in

596
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,960
20.

597
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,960
You're old.

598
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,960
I know.

599
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:26,280
The movie came out in 2017 and then I just recently revisited it, edited it down into

600
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:32,840
these little segments depending on the creepiest way to draw them out.

601
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,760
You have to find the natural little breaks.

602
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,760
Yeah.

603
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:43,400
To keep my subscribers going like, "Wait, how can I stop on a cliffhanger?"

604
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:49,200
Sometimes it was in the middle of a segment but anyway, I put it out on TikTok but what

605
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,640
TikTok gave me was the captions.

606
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,640
Oh, yeah, yeah.

607
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,640
And so now I have subtitles and everything that I'm saying that are auto-generated.

608
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,720
It's this transcript of what I'm saying and I think the inception of this came from the

609
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:09,160
auto-generated subtitle was giving away a punchline and I was like, "I can't.

610
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,960
I don't want this to give away the punchline."

611
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,640
I was like, "I'll just have it say something else."

612
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,880
This was in maybe the fourth or fifth episode, if you will, out of, I think it ended up being

613
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,400
close to like a hundred.

614
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,800
But at that point I was like, "Oh, of course.

615
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,120
The captions never have to say what I'm really saying."

616
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,360
Because that was part of the thing and so the entity that was possessing the house started

617
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:36,920
leaking into the subtitles and saying things like, "You can't trust him and don't listen

618
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,440
to what he's saying."

619
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Or I can see you, I can see you've moved closer to your phone, you know, and the little little

620
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,840
things like that.

621
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,880
And that was the other thing that was amazing about TikTok is that there was this immediacy

622
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,400
from my audience.

623
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,400
Hashtag, 1915 House ended up on the festival circuit in 2017.

624
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,840
But it was never in a festival that I could attend.

625
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,560
And so I never experienced any audience reaction.

626
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,160
But then on TikTok, in the comments, people were commenting to each other and being like,

627
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,160
"Did you see the subtitles?"

628
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,040
"Oh my God, they don't match."

629
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:19,960
And so it was so cool to have this other way to make a collage out of this stuff that I

630
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,840
had, and then not just cut it up, but also add another element to it.

631
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,040
Yeah, recontextualize it a little bit.

632
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,040
Yeah.

633
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,520
Using the tools of the new medium to expand your story, that's awesome, man.

634
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,520
That's incredible.

635
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,520
Yeah.

636
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Because I mentioned the festivals, that's where the miracle came.

637
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,120
And I know I'm stealing your thumb.

638
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,120
No, no, no, no.

639
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,120
I was just trying to figure out how to do it.

640
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,640
Yeah, listen, we try to hire people to do our transitions for us.

641
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,600
And if you do it, man, that's even better.

642
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,600
Boom.

643
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,600
Yeah.

644
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,000
The miracle came after the movie was done.

645
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,200
There were two miracles that literally changed my life.

646
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,080
They weren't just for Hashtag, 1915 House.

647
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:07,560
The first one was I cut this thing together and I was like, well, now what am I going to

648
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,560
do with it?

649
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,760
I mean, I could just put it up on YouTube, but that kind of defeats the purpose of why I

650
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,760
made it.

651
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,080
I was trying to escape this YouTube DIY setting, the home improvement setting of YouTube that

652
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,080
I felt trapped in.

653
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,880
And I was like, oh, I'll submit it to a short film festival.

654
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,720
And I did the very first one that I submitted it to reject it.

655
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,360
And I was like, oh, all right.

656
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,080
I mean, I'm not devastated by that.

657
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,000
I've been in the entertainment business for a long time.

658
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,280
It's not like I was destroyed, but I read to the end of the email.

659
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:49,280
And they said, sorry, we can't accept this film into our shorts festival.

660
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,280
Fibubububba.

661
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:57,040
And they were like, please resubmit to our sister festival for feature films.

662
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,040
That's pretty cool.

663
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,000
And I was like, wait.

664
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,320
How did I make a feature film?

665
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,080
Well, you made a short feature.

666
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,240
For the price of a gallon of paint.

667
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,880
You know, I was like, that's why I say I accidentally made a feature film.

668
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,840
I mean, it's like, oh, wow.

669
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,920
OK, I thought I was making a short film, but I made a feature film.

670
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,920
Awesome.

671
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,920
I resubmitted it.

672
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,240
It was accepted into the festival.

673
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,200
And then from there, I was accepted into every festival that I submitted it to.

674
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,720
That's incredible.

675
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:35,640
And then, whatever, the festival that was the second miracle and that really did change

676
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:44,480
my outlook on myself as a filmmaker, as an artist was the Thriller! Chiller! Film Festival

677
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,480
in Michigan."

678
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,280
And they made me the headliner.

679
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,240
It was a three night festival.

680
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,920
And Friday night was grindhouse night.

681
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,800
And they made me the headliner of grindhouse night.

682
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:09,520
And I was like, not only did I make a feature film by accident, I made a grindhouse film by

683
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,520
accident.

684
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:19,680
And that really made me like, oh, it's not just like micro budget because any movie, any

685
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,480
genre, any can be micro budget.

686
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Yeah, I made a Christmas movie on a micro budget.

687
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,640
Right.

688
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,640
Yes.

689
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,120
And the grindhouse is such a specific thing that I actually really dig.

690
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,240
And it's also not a genre.

691
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,240
It's a vibe.

692
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,760
It's like rock and roll.

693
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,240
Rock and roll is a big genre of music.

694
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,320
There's lots of things that are rock and roll and lots of things that aren't.

695
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,440
And a micro budget Christmas movie is not rock and roll.

696
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,560
I mean, it's, you know, maybe alt is easy listening.

697
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,360
It's a Christmas carol, Rob.

698
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,680
But I mean, your movie definitely has that grindhouse sort of vibe to it because it's so DIY.

699
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,680
Yeah.

700
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,360
It has a verisimilitude of like, of realness, which I think is the thing with good grindhouse

701
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,480
is that it feels real and then you reach out and touch it.

702
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:16,200
I always think, and this is a duh, but The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is the platonic example

703
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,520
of what grindhouse is.

704
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,520
Right.

705
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,320
It feels like they're really murdering people with chainsaws.

706
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:27,040
And you don't question it at all and it's cheap as hell and you know, probably they got out

707
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,920
of it, but you know, you don't.

708
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,840
And that's what this felt like, where it was like, yeah, and the guy probably survived.

709
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,040
And probably wasn't posted by his redhead lady friend, but you never know.

710
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,040
I feel like, yeah.

711
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,880
Yeah, like grindhouse needs to be made by the people who you could see in the movie.

712
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,880
Do you know what I mean?

713
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,880
Yeah, totally.

714
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,600
The people who like The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, you could imagine maybe the people who made

715
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,720
that have thought about massacring people with chainsaw.

716
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,720
Right.

717
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,240
And also you see the actors like in the movie, the guy like pulls up and you know that

718
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,280
that actor is driving his own cars.

719
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,280
Yeah.

720
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,960
Or his own motorcycle or his own motorcycle.

721
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,760
It's his gun that they use for the shoot.

722
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Right.

723
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,760
Totally.

724
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,200
And so, so to be characterized from the outside by people who never met me, I'm not going

725
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,920
to be, I'm not even going to this festival because I can't go to Michigan for this festival.

726
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,240
Legally, I'm not allowed to Michigan.

727
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,240
No, no, no.

728
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,240
It's a house.

729
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,440
But for them to go like, oh, you, you made a grindhouse movie, made me go, oh, shit.

730
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:30,840
That means that for my next movie, I can just say I make grindhouse movies.

731
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,960
And not just to say it to somebody else, but say it to myself.

732
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Like while I'm writing the screenplay and be like, oh, this gives me license to like, because

733
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,080
before, and I'd be thinking about a screenplay and I'm thinking about budget, I'm going to produce

734
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,320
this myself or whatever.

735
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,240
And so you can't blow up an ambulance.

736
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,240
Wow.

737
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,800
But, and so I would write around, gags like that.

738
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,920
Oh, okay, well, instead of that, we'll do this, we'll instead of that, we'll do this.

739
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,760
But if you're, if it's a grindhouse movie, you can blow up the ambulance because you have

740
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:08,400
the license to show the ambulance, ambulance, ambulance, cut to an explosion and then cut

741
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,600
back to like a burning tire.

742
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,600
Yeah.

743
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,560
But everybody knows they're watching a grindhouse movie.

744
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Right.

745
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,240
And it's not a joke that you did that.

746
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:17,240
Right.

747
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:18,240
Storytelling.

748
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:19,240
Yeah.

749
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:23,560
And it's stylistic in, in the vein of it's like part of the link, the cinematic language of

750
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,560
the style.

751
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,560
Yeah.

752
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:33,560
And so that gave me this license to like, to go like, oh, okay, I'm like the grindhouse guy.

753
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:39,000
Like, like, I'm coming from a similar ethos.

754
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,800
I guess that's the word I'm looking for with grindhouse is an ethos.

755
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,320
It's sort of like punk rock is an ethos more than it is a music genre.

756
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,160
Sure.

757
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,440
I mean, punk is like a big part of my identity or whatever.

758
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:58,600
And so it's like taking that punk rock vibe that I had sort of compartmentalized away from

759
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:04,880
my creative space and going, like, oh, no, wait, that is who I am.

760
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,240
And it made me as an artist be more sort of accepting of myself.

761
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:15,880
You know, it was almost like removing a mask and being like, ah, yeah, I am, Rob, you said

762
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:23,640
something in one of the earlier episodes of this very show about how the budget for your,

763
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,280
in your low budget, indie stuff, doesn't have to be a ladder.

764
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,560
You know, and so it's like if you're going to make five or $10,000 movies, that doesn't

765
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,480
mean that your next movie has to be 20 and then 50 and then a million and then, now,

766
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,920
all of a sudden, I'm the Russo brothers or something.

767
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,160
You could have a whole career making grindhouse movies.

768
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,720
And kind of the worst thing that can happen to somebody who does that really well is give

769
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,920
them a $50 million budget.

770
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:59,600
I mean, I know that it's silly for me to say to Steven Spielberg, but Jaws is a much better

771
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,400
movie than Jurassic Park.

772
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:10,080
You should have taken the millions and millions of dollars that you had to make Jurassic Park

773
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,800
and made a grindhouse movie.

774
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,800
Because Jaws is a grindhouse movie.

775
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,920
Yeah, but I don't know how punk rock Steven Spielberg is.

776
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,920
Oh no, he's not.

777
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:18,920
He's a polar bear.

778
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,320
And I like Steven Spielberg, but so the latter thing is something I talk about with my wife

779
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,400
too because I said that thing.

780
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,960
I was like, you know, I was on Facebook in some indie filmmaking forum thing where they

781
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,840
were talking about the budgets of movies and they're, they're all very down on themselves

782
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,040
because nobody watches their movies or, you know, like, why are we even doing this?

783
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,080
You know, everybody, it's the existential problem that indie filmmakers have all the time.

784
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,000
And they're getting really down on themselves and they're like, if nobody sees my $10,000

785
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,000
movies, like I can make those forever, but this was their words, I will never get better

786
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
is what they said.

787
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,800
And I was like, if you made $5,000, $10,000 movies, you're telling me that fifth one wouldn't

788
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,400
be better than the first one?

789
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,360
Like, you can get better.

790
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,280
The budget doesn't make you better.

791
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,280
You can be a better filmmaker with the same amount of money and resources.

792
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,160
I didn't comment back because I don't want to get in a fight with some 22 year old Lithuanian

793
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,160
kid.

794
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,400
But guys, you have to be a little more optimistic about the budget.

795
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,920
Filmmaking isn't about the budget.

796
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,480
It's not about the budget at all.

797
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,520
I mean, the idea of the ladder, I think, can kill you creatively.

798
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,360
And also economically, it sort of like don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

799
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:36,080
And then the problem solving, if you have a limited budget is where you get the gold, you

800
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,080
know?

801
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,880
Like that shot that I described of the ambulance blowing up or, or, oh, God.

802
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,040
I mean, I'm going back to Spielberg.

803
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:52,600
The storytelling in the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan is shocking.

804
00:37:52,600 --> 00:38:02,120
But the storytelling of the same scene of the exact same beach in The Big Red One is better.

805
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,520
And it's because Samuel Fuller doesn't show you any of it.

806
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:13,040
He shows a dead man's hand with a wristwatch on it in the surf.

807
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:20,720
And every time you cut back to it as this hand is being gently moved by the surf, the water

808
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,560
is redder.

809
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:32,240
And you know that horrors are occurring and time is passing and blood is being shed.

810
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:40,320
But the storytelling of that is so much more intense from a guy who was really there than

811
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,680
I'm going to show you every horror that happened on that beach, right?

812
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,960
The first time you see Saving Private Ryan, including me, I'm not saying it was bad filmmaking,

813
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,960
it's great.

814
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,960
It's amazing filmmaking.

815
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,080
And the first time you see it or the first time I saw it, absolutely speechless after that

816
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,560
first 20 minutes.

817
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,320
But there's no storytelling.

818
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,480
There's no beginning and middle and end to it.

819
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,480
There are no characters.

820
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:13,240
It's just like a document of what's happening.

821
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,280
And there's nothing, again, there's nothing wrong with it.

822
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,920
But in order to do what he did, what he did, that 20 minutes, the budget for that 20 minutes

823
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,760
is larger than I'll ever have access to to make a movie.

824
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,960
I wouldn't even have access to the catering budget.

825
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,960
So, go ahead.

826
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,560
You guys said a bunch that I do agree with, right?

827
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,040
The ladder, the budget, and all that.

828
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,640
And quality storytelling that you can do without showing.

829
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,360
What you show the horror, the horror becomes real.

830
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,960
What you don't show the horror, the horror is whatever the viewer imagines it to be, which

831
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,040
is more powerful, depending on the kind of movie you're making.

832
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,320
And depending on who the audience is, if the audience is watching more.

833
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:04,840
But I just got to stick up for your poor Lithuanian kid, because while, yes, you don't need a budgetary

834
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,960
ladder to make these movies, I do understand the struggle of, I can't get better if nobody

835
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,880
sees this because there is that element of you're doing it by yourself with no feedback.

836
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,240
So, you don't know what works and what doesn't work.

837
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,880
It's like exercising without a personal trainer, you know?

838
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,520
Like, you could be doing push-ups and you feel like it's working.

839
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,680
You feel like you're getting gains, but you're not because you're not doing the things you

840
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,360
are supposed to have because you don't have another eye on you being like, "Hey, man,

841
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,480
I see what you're doing, and it's cool, but you're going to fuck up your back, you know?"

842
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,480
Yeah.

843
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,520
To me, that's the value of an audience, and that's the problem if you make something low

844
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,040
budget, then nobody sees.

845
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,320
I mean, yes, you want people to see it because you want it to be successful, so you can use

846
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,920
it as a bargaining chip when you're making budgetary moves on your next ones.

847
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,760
But also, it's just nice for people to watch me like, "Oh, I think this movie is a grindhouse

848
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,760
movie."

849
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,320
Oh, fuck.

850
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,320
It is.

851
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,320
You're right.

852
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,840
And just that that moment of realization when you see it through other eyes, and you're like,

853
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,600
"Oh, I see what I was making now in a different way."

854
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,920
I think is so important to the process as opposed to just doing it.

855
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,680
I wouldn't have jumped down a throat, but he was talking about, "How can I get better?"

856
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,680
Yeah, no, sorry.

857
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,840
I didn't mean jump down a straight.

858
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,840
Yeah.

859
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,480
No, again, I didn't comment, but it was the way he phrased it.

860
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,480
Thank you.

861
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,400
Movies are worthless if you can't get more of a budget.

862
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,400
Sure.

863
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,920
And that always triggers me because I find worth in the thing itself.

864
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Well, but I do think that point, your budget doesn't equal audience.

865
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,560
And I think that is a line of thinking that is destructive.

866
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:44,520
Like you're saying, Justin, with #1915House, that your budget was essentially a hundred bucks,

867
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,520
and it was successful.

868
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,520
It got eyes.

869
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:52,440
It opened up your perspective as an artist, as a filmmaker, which is in value.

870
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:58,000
And it's not that you needed a budget of $25 million or $1 million.

871
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,560
You just needed to do it and for it to be seen.

872
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,240
Yes, absolutely.

873
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:09,080
And just because we are talking about budget, because it's like, for me to say that I made

874
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:15,760
that movie about a hundred bucks is true, but in defense of this Lithuanian kid.

875
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,800
I don't know if he's from Lithuania, but he's probably the guy that's going to go to

876
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,800
the studio now.

877
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,800
He is now.

878
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,000
He's actually on the show right now.

879
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Ladies and gentlemen, hello there.

880
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,040
You've been talking shit about my movies.

881
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,080
Like I said, it went on the festival circuit.

882
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,320
That means that my budget needs to include all of the entries for these festivals.

883
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:47,000
So it's like, money, money, like for me, I know, I wrote a screenplay for the sequel to

884
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,000
#1915House.

885
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,280
It's called #SmartHouse.

886
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:59,080
And I wrote it knowing all the lessons learned from the first one and also that I was going

887
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,840
to be shooting it intentionally, which means that I'm now setting up shots and blah, blah,

888
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,680
blah, blah, all the stuff that we were talking about earlier.

889
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,720
And so I wrote it for that.

890
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:15,000
And I know that in a grindhouse kind of way, I could make that movie for very little money.

891
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,320
But no one would see it.

892
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,800
Not because nobody wants to and not because it's not good or not because the people who do

893
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,920
see it, if I just put it up on YouTube, wouldn't enjoy it.

894
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,080
But you do need money to get eyeballs on your work.

895
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:36,200
So it's like the money that I would love to have isn't really so much for production.

896
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,200
It's for access.

897
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,200
Yeah.

898
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,200
It's the post post stuff.

899
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,200
Post post post stuff.

900
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,200
Yeah.

901
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,200
Yeah.

902
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Yeah, cause I get it.

903
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,480
They are just kind of pre-production, all production, maybe a little bit of post.

904
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,880
And then you stop counting the money.

905
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,880
Right.

906
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,800
And you send something out to a film fest and it's $85 a pop or $100 a pop.

907
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,040
So add that to 20 festivals.

908
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,640
That's two grand, right there off the top.

909
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,640
You want to go there.

910
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,040
You want to produce all the materials for it.

911
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,040
You want to get a poster.

912
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,760
You want to do this and that, blah, blah, blah, blah.

913
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,760
Unless people are like, why don't you go to more festivals?

914
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,520
Because I only spend like a hundred bucks on festivals.

915
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,120
I'm like, I can't do that.

916
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,120
I'm not doing that.

917
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,120
Yeah.

918
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,120
It costs too much money.

919
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,120
Right.

920
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,800
And there's a value in obfuscating how much your budget is.

921
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,920
I know that when we were going to run with LITOM, we didn't tell them that our budget

922
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,760
was a quarter million dollars because it looked like a half a million dollars.

923
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,200
So we're like, yeah, of course, it's half a million dollars.

924
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,400
Because then you get into better rooms because they think that you spent more on it.

925
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,400
Right.

926
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,080
There's the number, like where are the numbers?

927
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,360
Like you only spent $5,000 on this movie?

928
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,360
It's amazing.

929
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,880
We're letting you into the room.

930
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,320
But then if it's more than that until you reach a certain threshold, they're just like,

931
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,320
oh, this is cheap.

932
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,320
Yes.

933
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,320
Yeah, you have to be under a certain amount of money and have made a masterpiece.

934
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,320
Or you have to say, yeah, it was cheap movie.

935
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,600
It cost me 650 or 700,000, no big deal.

936
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,200
But I mean, I was doing that with Heistmas for a while.

937
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,680
Like, they're like, how much was it?

938
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,920
It's like, well, it's under 20 because contractually that's what I signed a contract for.

939
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,200
But I haven't told people what the actual budget was.

940
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,200
It's under 20.

941
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,200
Right.

942
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,200
Where?

943
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:20,160
I mean, that game, the margins on my game are a lot smaller than the margins on the game you

944
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,160
were playing.

945
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,160
But you're right.

946
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,760
Some people don't want to see it unless it costs money.

947
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,760
Right.

948
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,080
And it's crummy to figure out that game.

949
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,560
But it's an important game to figure out.

950
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,160
However, it works out for you.

951
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,440
But it is also important, as a filmmaker, you make films.

952
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Yes.

953
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,440
Oh, yes.

954
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:40,760
And if you can't make a film for $500,000 and you can make one for $200, then you make

955
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,160
them one for $200.

956
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,160
Absolutely.

957
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,360
One of my favorite books is Make Your Own Damn Movie! by Lloyd Kaufman.

958
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,640
And Lloyd Kaufman and the Troma stuff is such a weird fit.

959
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,920
I don't love most of those Troma movies.

960
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,880
But I do really appreciate the ethos of like, put whatever you want into the movie.

961
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,200
Oh, you want to blow up an ambulance?

962
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,200
Do it.

963
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,680
Figure out a way to do it because there's always a way to do it.

964
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,000
But just know that if you're going to spend $200 to blow something up, like, that's $200,

965
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,200
you can't spend somewhere else.

966
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,320
So what's the cheapest way you can do that gag and then do it?

967
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,520
You would have used people going, "Oh my God, the ambulance blew up."

968
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:19,520
Yeah.

969
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,520
Some yellow lights and smoke.

970
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,520
Exactly.

971
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,520
You know?

972
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,840
You have to realize that you can do it cheaper.

973
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,840
You can just do it.

974
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,760
But to start, you just got to go.

975
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,240
You just got to do it.

976
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:30,240
Yeah.

977
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,840
I grew up around the business.

978
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,640
My father is a screenwriter.

979
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:39,640
And so I didn't have the kind of, I don't know, pie in the sky thinking about Hollywood.

980
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,920
It was just a place that people work.

981
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,320
So I vary early on.

982
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,520
This is like decades before someone called me grindhouse.

983
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,920
No one actually has ever called me grindhouse, but that would be a good nickname.

984
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,720
I can start calling you grindhouse now.

985
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,920
Thank you, grindhouse, for being on the podcast today.

986
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,240
Yeah.

987
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:05,560
But like my, like, ethos and that punk rock thing has always been, like, how can I steal

988
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,560
this?

989
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,840
Like, and I don't mean like, how can I steal this idea?

990
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:14,360
But like, oh, it's going to cost like, you know, like $5,000 to shoot at a given location.

991
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,360
How can I steal that?

992
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,120
How can I, how can I steal this location?

993
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,800
How can I, how can I steal this ambulance blowing up or how can I, how can I, how can I

994
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,680
blow up a, ambulance in a movie, but it's, it's not very expensive to do it in real life.

995
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Exactly.

996
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,680
You will go to prison, but you know, you get to shot.

997
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Someone will, someone will.

998
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:40,400
It just, you go through other people, you hire people who are skilled at blowing things up.

999
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,400
Yeah.

1000
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:47,480
I met a lot of people when I was, when I was a PA in like low budget, kind of scary Hollywood,

1001
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:53,280
you know, these are like, I worked on a lot of erotic thrillers, let's say.

1002
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,120
I, there were a lot of people I met in that world where I was like, I'm writing your name

1003
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,320
down because someday I'm going to need somebody killed.

1004
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:10,440
You know, you know, disclaimer, do not blow up anything, do not commit crimes in the, in

1005
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,400
the name of your film, unless this may be shooting without a permit.

1006
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,280
Unless, unless you have a nice cover story and, and blankets of other people to go through.

1007
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,280
Why?

1008
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,280
In a media area.

1009
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:21,280
He's proxies.

1010
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,280
Always have a fog act.

1011
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,280
Yeah.

1012
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,280
Don't write anything down.

1013
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,280
Um, all right.

1014
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,280
Listen, we're doing great.

1015
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,280
Everybody.

1016
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,280
We're doing wonderful.

1017
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:34,040
We talked a lot about the DIY topic that we wanted to talk to you about today.

1018
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,200
I'm so inspired by everything, everything you're saying.

1019
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:43,000
And I love it because it's true that you get caught up in how things should be done that

1020
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,080
you forget you should just go out and do things.

1021
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:52,080
But specifically about hashtag 1915 House, I did have a couple of questions about how

1022
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:58,240
you made this movie because there's so much of it that felt so both planned and

1023
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:02,480
surprising and I don't, I don't know how you did it.

1024
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:08,360
Like for instance, you cut into the wall, which is incredible production value.

1025
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,040
Start ripping stuff off the wall and then you discover that there's a larger window behind

1026
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,800
the wall and you just played it off like there's no big deal.

1027
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,160
How much of that was improv and how much swearing did you cut of yourself off camera?

1028
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:30,040
The original footage cut together of me discovering the window buried behind the paneling in my

1029
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:36,600
wall exists on YouTube just as a straight ahead home improvement DIY video and with no ghosts

1030
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,600
or anything.

1031
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,000
I mean, you don't need a ghost in that situation.

1032
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,880
I was absolutely shocking.

1033
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,640
So my reaction when I pulled that paneling off is real.

1034
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:50,520
And at that point, there were so many things about this house in real life that I think my

1035
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,520
reaction was to just sigh.

1036
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:58,280
You know, it was just like, oh, okay, here's something I've got to deal with.

1037
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,600
And so I'm glad that you that you're asking about that in particular because that to

1038
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:10,920
me is what I look for when I'm watching whether it's a horror movie or anything where the

1039
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:17,240
stakes are heightened and people are in precarious situations in real life.

1040
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:24,120
I have never and I have been, you know, I've worked with horses and I've worked in construction

1041
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,720
in places where people get really hurt in real life.

1042
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:33,720
And in real life, I have never heard someone scream.

1043
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:36,080
I have never, ever, ever heard that.

1044
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,520
I saw someone get his finger zipped off by a lead rope when the horse jerk back pulled the

1045
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:48,920
lead rope and his finger basically got frictioned off when the rope tightened up.

1046
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,240
His reaction was like, oh, shit.

1047
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:55,320
Everybody else was like, oh, wow, right?

1048
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,200
There was no, there was no screaming.

1049
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,120
No one has ever, I've never heard that in real life.

1050
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:06,440
And so I'm always, I always appreciate in a movie when I see that, when I see these honest

1051
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:13,160
reactions, it's sort of like in a, I spend a lot of time on TikTok because although I am

1052
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,960
the oldest person in the room there, it's where I get the most interaction in my social

1053
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,960
media.

1054
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:20,960
I don't know.

1055
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,280
It's the only place that I've ever really had a, been able to make a connection.

1056
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,680
But anyway, you see a lot of these, there's a lot of like food influencers, right?

1057
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,440
And so you'll see it, they'll put a bite of food in the mouth and immediately go, mmm,

1058
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,760
but in real life, nobody does that.

1059
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,880
You know immediately that they're not tasting the food because in real life, you put the food

1060
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,320
in your mouth and then you taste it, right?

1061
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:50,440
And so there has to be that little pregnant pause there.

1062
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,640
And that's the same with the screaming and that's the same with me pulling the paneling

1063
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,720
off and just going like, oh, God.

1064
00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:59,680
Well, now I got to buy new windows.

1065
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,880
Did you put windows in those windows spots?

1066
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,960
I put insulating.

1067
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:14,880
So there were the two windows in the movie that are smaller and those two windows are now

1068
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,280
bigger.

1069
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:21,680
But the two windows that had no window in them at all, we just covered them up.

1070
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,040
But it's like, this is too much money.

1071
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,040
So we just covered them back up.

1072
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,600
It's like, do you know, no, no, you're going back in the wall.

1073
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,680
It's just like exactly what we did with the ghost.

1074
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:38,680
It's like, no, no, no, you can still possess the house, but you can't fuck things up.

1075
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,040
Yeah, Rob, what do you got?

1076
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,480
I have one thing I wanted to mention because you don't have any music.

1077
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,160
You don't have a score in the show, but at the end you have a song.

1078
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,160
Then I assume that's a public domain tune.

1079
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:58,080
It is, but I did have to prove it because I immediately got somebody was like, no, I own

1080
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,080
that song.

1081
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,680
Yeah, the movie is called #1915House and that song came out in 1915.

1082
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,960
So you can fuck off.

1083
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,040
And so like even for Heistmas, I went to the Library of Congress and I would look for public

1084
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,560
domain recordings that they still have on there.

1085
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,840
And like, that's a great resource for anybody who wants to put music in their, I mean, it's

1086
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,840
old.

1087
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,880
And you might have to clean it up a little bit.

1088
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:25,480
It happened to be perfect for my movie, but yeah, you can definitely find stuff that's

1089
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,520
usable, that's in the public domain.

1090
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:33,320
But it's also, it's also really tough because we had a sequence in LITOM or we were using

1091
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,800
a bunch of stock footage and audio and whatever.

1092
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,800
And it was a whole deal where he had to like, just because the song was written in 1915

1093
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,160
or whatever is in the public domain, he had to make sure it was the right recording of

1094
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,160
it.

1095
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,160
Yeah.

1096
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,200
It's not that it killed us, but it was really tough.

1097
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,560
We were trying to find the Star-Spangled Banner or something like some kind of America

1098
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:59,800
song that we'd find the version that was done by the Navy brass band because that's owned

1099
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:00,800
by all of us.

1100
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:01,800
So that was a big deal.

1101
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,200
But you really had to dig in there.

1102
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,360
So it's such a great resource, the public domain thing, but also just keep in mind that, you

1103
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,400
know, specifically the Library of Congress.

1104
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,400
Sure.

1105
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,880
You can go there and it'll tell you if it's in the public domain or if it's copyrighted.

1106
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:21,120
And if you do want more recent stuff than like everything at all of NASA's footage,

1107
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,760
right up until yesterday is in the public domain.

1108
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,280
So if you want to do anything that takes place on the moon, you've got access to all that

1109
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,280
if you want it.

1110
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,280
Yeah.

1111
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,120
Anyway, I just wanted to bring that up because I heard the tune and I liked it.

1112
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,120
Well, it's great.

1113
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,560
I couldn't believe it when I found that song.

1114
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,920
I mean, that was, I guess that was the third miracle.

1115
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,920
What's finding a song?

1116
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,560
I was like, I'm afraid to go home in the dark.

1117
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Yeah.

1118
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,560
I mean, I was like, holy, wow.

1119
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:44,560
Oh, my God.

1120
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,320
They wrote a lot of spooky songs at the turn of the last century.

1121
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,640
It was a spooky time.

1122
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,040
There's a lot of ghosty stuff.

1123
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,040
Yeah.

1124
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,720
And talking about the sound design, one of the things that I did, there's a voice, it kind

1125
00:54:55,720 --> 00:55:00,920
of a drone of a voice in the background through a lot of the, especially through a lot

1126
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,920
of the later stuff.

1127
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:11,680
And that's me reading aloud from a real book like this German psychiatrist from the early

1128
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:20,600
1900s, who is a believer talking about this young girl or young woman who is a medium

1129
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:26,280
and so you'll hear this German-accented voice in the background talking about ectoplasm

1130
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:32,480
and the ectoplasm was very thick this time and she levitated off the floor and was apparently

1131
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,600
wearing a shift of some kind that she wasn't wearing when the séance began.

1132
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:42,680
And so if you listen really closely, you can hear me doing that and like, my modulated

1133
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,480
and stuff like that.

1134
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,960
But yeah, that, again, that was like from the period of the time that the house was built

1135
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:55,480
when people were really into all the mesmerism and the séances and all that.

1136
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,200
Before Harry Houdini shut them down like he should have.

1137
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,200
Yes, right.

1138
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,200
Right.

1139
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,200
He's coming back though, man.

1140
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,200
He's coming back.

1141
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,200
It's going to be one of these days.

1142
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,200
One of these days is going to be incredible.

1143
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:09,720
So, this has been fantastic, but let's bring her in for a landing here.

1144
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:15,200
Now that you're at the end of the road of this whole process, making the movie, if you

1145
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,880
could go back in time and tell yourself something before you started the process.

1146
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,960
What's the one bit of advice you would give yourself?

1147
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,120
You know, I know that this question is one of your standard...

1148
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,120
What?

1149
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,120
Standard questions.

1150
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:35,920
I meant that in a good way, in an inside the actor studio kind of way.

1151
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:43,720
I've been thinking about that though, because I began this movie so unintentionally and I

1152
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:52,960
think that works so well that when I thought about making the sequel, I really had to think

1153
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,480
about how do I make the sequel in such a way that it's obviously intentional, but how do

1154
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,480
I keep that same vibe?

1155
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:05,480
So, I don't know if I would go back in time and tell the guy who is making the original

1156
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,400
actual DIY videos anything.

1157
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:16,640
But I know I would tell the guy that was doing the pickups, you need help.

1158
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:21,560
You know, it's like, not just you need help getting in and out of a green suit.

1159
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:22,560
And I did have help.

1160
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,640
I mean, you saw the brief credits roll at the end and my brother is on there and my wife

1161
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:33,460
is on there and Zach, my brother, he was in town for a weekend and he wore the green

1162
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:37,720
suit and some of the stuff so that we could have this sort of like bubble of a figure

1163
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,080
walking around behind me.

1164
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:47,260
But I know that my performance as an actor would have been better even though I was directing

1165
00:57:47,260 --> 00:57:55,400
myself and I've done that before, but my performance at the end is so heightened that my character

1166
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:01,280
is going through it in such a big way that I really did need another set of eyes.

1167
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,640
Even if it was just let's say an AD to go like, take that one again.

1168
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,440
I really think, you know, it's like you can auteur too hard.

1169
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,880
Yeah, I know the feeling on that one.

1170
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:13,880
Yeah.

1171
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:14,880
Oh, but you know what?

1172
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:21,200
I might have gone back in time to tell original #1915House guy.

1173
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,520
This is a tough one.

1174
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:31,840
Maybe, maybe to not have him use the name Justin DiPego because that just logistically

1175
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,280
made it really confusing.

1176
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:43,960
Because Justin DiPego in #1915House is a character, but Justin DiPego, the writer, director,

1177
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,000
producer is me.

1178
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,160
And so it made it hard to talk about.

1179
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:55,040
And it also like for instance, doing the sequel, I necessarily have to name that character

1180
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,720
Justin DiPego and that's awkward.

1181
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,720
It's just awkward.

1182
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,920
It's not bad filmmaking or anything like that, but it's awkward.

1183
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:09,080
You could always like evil dead this whole thing and just remake the #1915House the first

1184
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,080
part.

1185
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,160
Just remake it real quick at the beginning of the second movie.

1186
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,160
There you go.

1187
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,160
Rename your character.

1188
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,160
That's part of the plan.

1189
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,480
Or you just sell the house to a new person.

1190
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:18,480
That looks to a new person.

1191
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,480
Oh, different.

1192
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:20,480
Yeah, yeah.

1193
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,160
I sold it to this strange man in a hat with a mustache.

1194
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,160
Yeah.

1195
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,960
Yeah, everything's the same.

1196
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:27,960
Just a different hat.

1197
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:28,960
Yeah.

1198
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:29,960
Okay.

1199
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,800
So I guess we will come in for the landing then.

1200
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:33,800
We're still we're still landed.

1201
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:34,800
We're still landed.

1202
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:35,800
We're still landed.

1203
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:36,800
We're still landed.

1204
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:37,800
We're still landed.

1205
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:38,800
That was okay.

1206
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,800
Mustache continuity and tattoo continuity.

1207
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,800
Those were big challenges.

1208
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,720
Uh, to a smart man said once, uh, continuity is overrated.

1209
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:46,720
I did.

1210
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:47,720
I did.

1211
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:48,720
I say that in scene one.

1212
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,720
So yeah.

1213
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:50,720
All right.

1214
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,240
Well, thank you, Justin, for coming to talk to us.

1215
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:54,240
It was amazing.

1216
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,240
What a pleasure.

1217
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,240
Yeah.

1218
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:57,240
Thank you.

1219
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:58,240
Thank you.

1220
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,240
I can't wait to make another movie so I can come back.

1221
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Yeah.

1222
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,240
Well, when you do definitely come back.

1223
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,240
Absolutely.

1224
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,120
Um, so tell us where they can find you.

1225
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,520
Or more importantly where they can find you on the internet.

1226
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,320
I, I alluded to TikTok that is where I am most active.

1227
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,560
I am JustinDiPegoAuthor on TikTok.

1228
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:24,840
I'm also JustinDiPegoAuthor on YouTube and, uh, you're on threads.

1229
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,960
On Instagram and on threads, I am just Justin DiPego.

1230
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,760
Oh, you have no identity.

1231
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,760
Just you.

1232
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:33,760
I know.

1233
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,080
I tried to, I tried to tack on the author thing and I, they wouldn't win.

1234
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,600
Oh, is it the, are you the character Justin DiPego on Instagram?

1235
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:42,600
Yeah.

1236
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,600
Uh, probably, probably.

1237
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:49,240
Uh, does your movie have any kind of, uh, broader distribution or is it just self

1238
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,240
distributed?

1239
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,400
Uh, you know, I did.

1240
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:56,720
It's completely available on YouTube right now and you can watch it as 16 episodes or

1241
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,040
you can watch it as just one feature.

1242
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:06,120
It did get a distribution on some, this is like 2017 now, but there was like a Tubi-style

1243
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,080
thing back then which no longer exists.

1244
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:13,600
But, um, so for about a year, you could, you could stream it.

1245
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,600
But, uh, but now you can, you, you can watch it on, it's still streaming.

1246
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,000
It's just, you don't have to pay for it.

1247
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,000
It's great.

1248
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,000
Absolutely.

1249
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,000
That's how I watched it.

1250
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,000
I watched it on YouTube and it was, it worked out great.

1251
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,000
Yeah.

1252
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,000
I love the comments by, just real quick.

1253
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,400
I love the comments of people referring to it as a real DIY video.

1254
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,960
There's a bunch of those comments that are like, uh, great job building this thing.

1255
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,240
I was like, did you watch the whole thing?

1256
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,520
There was not one comment.

1257
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,120
Like I said, it's 16 episodes or a feature, right?

1258
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:48,280
And on the feature or the episodes, not one of the comments refers to the fact that there's

1259
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:49,280
a ghost.

1260
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,000
It's so weird.

1261
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,000
It is so weird.

1262
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,840
Like, did anybody watch?

1263
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,840
I don't know.

1264
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,360
People see what they want to see.

1265
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:57,360
Yeah.

1266
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:58,360
Yeah.

1267
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:59,360
Yeah.

1268
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:00,360
Nice hammer.

1269
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,360
We missed to hit himself in the thumb.

1270
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,360
Well, Justin, thank you.

1271
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,960
Thank you again for coming on the show.

1272
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,040
But that does it for us.

1273
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:16,120
And so if you have any questions about filmmaking movies in general, please email us at indiefilmlodge@gmail.com.

1274
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,720
We'd love to hear from you.

1275
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,720
And we may feature your question on a future show.

1276
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,920
In the meantime, tell your friends about us and remember that the only thing holding you

1277
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:24,920
back is you.

1278
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,000
So get out there and shoot your feature.

1279
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,000
I'm Rob.

1280
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,000
I'm Matt, and we'll see you next time.

1281
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:30,250
Woo!

1282
01:02:30,250 --> 01:02:32,000
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1283
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000
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1284
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,000
[MUSIC PLAYING]

1285
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,000
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1286
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,580
(gentle music)