1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,480 Hey Robb, what would happen if you got pregnant? 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,280 It would probably be the end of the world. 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:05,880 Well, at least wouldn't have to worry about giving birth. 4 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,280 [MUSIC PLAYING] 5 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,960 Hello and welcome to Indie Film 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,920 Lodge, a podcast about the nuts and bolts of independent 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,480 filmmaking from the bottom up. 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:18,680 I'm Matt Jackson. 9 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:19,520 And I'm Robb Padgett. 10 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,400 And today we'll be talking about ingenuity. 11 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,160 And today’s guest is Paula Rhodes, who made a wonderful Delicate 12 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:26,800 State. 13 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Hello, Paula. 14 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,080 Hi. 15 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,800 Oh my goodness, thank you for the flattery. 16 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Of course. 17 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,320 You know, fun fact, you're the first guest 18 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,520 that doesn't have a consecutive double letter in your name. 19 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:35,720 Oh. 20 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Unless you have a middle name like Doreen or something. 21 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,800 No, I got Jean. 22 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,000 Not the right Jean. 23 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:41,920 So well, you know what? 24 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,200 That theme is out the window. 25 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,040 Think of something else. 26 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,800 You can add a second N to that Jean. 27 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,560 I could, but you know, it's late. 28 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,280 Anyway, so Paula, you made this great movie, Delicate State. 29 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,400 Please tell us real quick, for someone who hasn't seen it, 30 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,400 What's it all about? 31 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,760 So Delicate State is my husband and I, Charlie Bodin, 32 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,320 Documenting our actual pregnancy, first pregnancy, 33 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,840 in an alternate universe where the US breaks out in Civil War. 34 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,040 And we didn't necessarily anticipate it 35 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,640 being quite so close to a documentary when we started in 2015. 36 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,520 But it's definitely a cautionary tale. 37 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,080 I think the genre would probably 38 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,520 have to be a docu-fiction. 39 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:17,680 Yeah, sure. 40 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,600 It also, to me, had vibes of my life, 41 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,160 the Michael Keaton movie from the ’90s, 42 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,080 but without the cancer stuff. 43 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,840 Because of the movie, he's leaving notes for his future kid 44 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,520 about how to shave and what's 45 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,360 like to be in a roller coaster on that stuff. 46 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,320 But except yours has all that Civil War stuff in it. 47 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:34,520 It's not as funny as that. 48 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,760 Is the cancer one? 49 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,640 No. 50 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,120 Yeah, we really missed out on that. 51 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,880 It was-- oh gosh, it was such a wild ride. 52 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,880 So I thought I'll talk about it and hopefully inspire 53 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,600 other people to make their film. 54 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,560 Because quite honestly, if we could do this during a pregnancy 55 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,520 with just two people, essentially, 56 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,720 as the entire production crew and most of the cast, 57 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:58,800 then you should make your thing. 58 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,000 I don't recommend making a film this way. 59 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,320 It is hard. 60 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,920 It makes you appreciate the heck out of your crew and your cast. 61 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,960 But it can be done. 62 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Well, I appreciate your dedication to the craft, 63 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,040 getting pregnant just to make a movie about it. 64 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:12,560 Yeah. 65 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,800 I mean, that's true method acting. 66 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:15,680 Watch out, De Niro. 67 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,000 Right. 68 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:19,760 Yes. 69 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,000 I can't actually take credit for that order. 70 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,280 It was a lot less altruistic in that I just 71 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,280 was really scared and sad. 72 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,160 I was happy to be pregnant. 73 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,080 We tried for years. 74 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,400 But I was really scared and sad to start noticing 75 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,360 auditions going away and opportunities going away. 76 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,120 And I had that very actory, panic moment, moments, probably, 77 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,000 of not having work. 78 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,760 And my husband was like, oh my gosh, just make a movie already. 79 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,840 And then I was like, OK, well, then you're making it with me. 80 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,160 And then he did. 81 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,520 He really called my bluff. 82 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,120 Yeah, I really, really did. 83 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,480 He might have come to regret that at various points, 84 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,480 but we sure did it. 85 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,360 It was definitely a matter of looking around at 86 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,920 what you have and what story you want to tell. 87 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:02,640 Because I knew from just producing 88 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:05,120 before short films, web series, et cetera, 89 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,440 and acting in features that it’s such a labor 90 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,440 pun intended, that you really have to want to do this. 91 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,560 And you have to have maybe more of a reason 92 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,720 to put it out in the world than just make a movie. 93 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,760 So the fact that I was seeing all of these at the time, 94 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,760 news and other people toss around the term, 95 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,200 are we heading toward a civil war? 96 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,760 Just casually, in 2015, that I was like, gosh, 97 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,000 they are really not kind of clocking what that actually 98 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,840 means, what that looks like to a population. 99 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,800 And I think especially maybe to women, 100 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,080 who aren't usually the ones choosing that any of that scenario 101 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,560 or getting us in the situation where it might be happening. 102 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,840 And I wanted to show what that looked like. 103 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,640 And the fact that so many women around the world, 104 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,240 getting pregnant is not a guaranteed outcome of ending up 105 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,640 alive or with a child, just like it wasn't for here for so long. 106 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,120 And women of color face even harder odds here in America still. 107 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,840 So it's the first time that as a luckily healthy person, 108 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,080 able-bodied person, I faced mortality. 109 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,880 In a way where I realize like, I'm not guaranteed 110 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,040 to get out of this or get out of this with a healthy baby. 111 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,040 And it was eye-opening and sobering. 112 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,640 And to think about having to do that in a non-stable nation 113 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,600 was more scary. 114 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,440 So I wanted to bring that to light. 115 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,040 Along with also just making myself some work. 116 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,640 Yeah, that's what people don't realize 117 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,920 that how dangerous it is to have children. 118 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,120 My last child at the very end was real touch and go there 119 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,040 for about an hour and scary as hell. 120 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,640 And that's within a hospital. 121 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,360 It's in a hospital. 122 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,600 And I mean, my sister dealt with preeclampsia 123 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,440 and placenta previa, things that people, so many people, 124 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,560 deal with now that we do have ways with modern medicine 125 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,720 and the right facilities to help and get you through nowadays. 126 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,520 I would definitely not recommend watching The Knick 127 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,440 while you're pregnant if you're just dealing with-- 128 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:58,960 Yeah. 129 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,160 placenta previa, because that’s where 130 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,640 they're in the 1900s of discovering 131 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,120 how to do surgery around it. 132 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,080 And it was like, oh my gosh. 133 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,080 It's eye-opening. 134 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:07,680 It really is. 135 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,800 And it really makes you appreciate what we have, 136 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,480 but also how delicate and fragile it is. 137 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,480 It's not guaranteed. 138 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,240 Yeah, it's crazy. 139 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,920 I mean, the worst part about pregnancy 140 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,760 is I felt like every doctor's visit we had ended up 141 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,720 with some kind of like, oh, your kid might be dead. 142 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,000 Every visit was, oh, we found this thing testing. 143 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,280 And yeah, de, de, de, de, de, it could result in your kid doing 144 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:31,800 whatever. 145 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,440 So you've got to go get this special test. 146 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:34,720 And then you'd go get the test. 147 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,960 And it's like, oh, they're fine. 148 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,480 The roller coaster was so insane to be on. 149 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,240 And I know people who had way worse outcomes 150 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,360 and had way more hardships than we had. 151 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,120 But still, whoa, pregnancy is a joy. 152 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,360 Gosh, it is terrifying. 153 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,880 Yeah, it absolutely is. 154 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:58,120 I mean, not unlike filmmaking, but in a more mortal way, 155 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,120 because it actually involves life. 156 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,280 And so it was scary. 157 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,040 There comes a part which I wasn't prepared for. 158 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,400 But I don't know how you could be, really, 159 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,320 until you get to that point. 160 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,720 But toward the end, the last three months 161 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,560 or so of pregnancy are so uncomfortable. 162 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,880 And so you're in a different body. 163 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,960 You have double the blood capacity. 164 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,000 So much more weight. 165 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,760 It hurts to take breaths. 166 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,280 Sometimes where you just kind of like, 167 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:20,160 I just have to get through this. 168 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,600 But it's not a pain of like, I have to get through it 169 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,840 for a few minutes or a couple hours. 170 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:24,160 It's like, I gotta go. 171 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,360 Couple weeks, couple months here to do this. 172 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,320 And it's gonna get worse. 173 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,040 So I, and I remember it getting to a point 174 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,320 where I had written in or kind of, we'll get to this, 175 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,840 I suppose, but kind of outlined in action toward the end. 176 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,080 And I got put on modified bed rest, 177 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,120 and I was like, okay, well, how do we adjust this a little bit? 178 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,920 Because you get to the point where you physically cannot 179 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,200 run for your life. 180 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,200 And when I had that realization of like, I couldn't run. 181 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,160 If somebody were chasing me, if a flood was coming after me, 182 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,280 if something was happening, I don't have the ability 183 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:58,160 that I've always had that I've counted on. 184 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,320 I haven't even thought of before, 185 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,560 of running, of climbing, of getting out of the way. 186 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,880 It's just a surrender to like, I guess I'm dying. 187 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,360 Like it was so awful and morbid 188 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,240 to be in that position and realize that, 189 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,920 and realize that every mother gets to that point. 190 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,760 So it was well. 191 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,160 - And that's not the topic of this podcast, 192 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:23,160 but it is amazing to me how flippantly people treat pregnancy. 193 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,040 Like they're just like, ‘Just have the baby.’ 194 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,640 It's like, it's not just anything, it's a big deal. 195 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,840 And I'm so glad that I can't get pregnant. 196 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,240 - I had to not know that going in 197 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,400 to make a film during this. 198 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,800 - Oh yeah. - Yeah, man, I, 199 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,400 listen, I'm a big proponent of having a lot of ignorance 200 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,120 before you get into anything major. 201 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,400 'Cause if you know how hard it's gonna be, 202 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,400 then you're just not gonna wanna do it. 203 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:48,400 - I've heard that before. 204 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,080 - How you had two kids, I don't know. 205 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,640 God bless you though, your kids are great. 206 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,640 - Well, if our second kid was like, 207 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,120 if the second kid was the first kid, 208 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,480 we wouldn't have a second kid, does that make sense? 209 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,520 The experience we had with the second one was awful. 210 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,120 Like the pregnancy was harder at a certain point, 211 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,480 but the first one was so easy, we were like, 212 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,000 "Oh, this isn't that bad." 213 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,680 But no, it was a big deal. 214 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,400 - I think we just were surprised a little. 215 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,200 Our suppose a surprise of like, 216 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,600 we tried for so long to have the first one that it was like, 217 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,840 "Oh, I guess this is something you don't have to worry 218 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,760 about not having one, 'cause it's hard to wait." 219 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:22,800 What do you mean we're having another one? 220 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:23,960 So, and that it was, you know, 221 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,000 you're already on the roller coaster. 222 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,440 So I was like, "I guess we'll just get this done 223 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,280 and they'll be close to age." 224 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,400 And that's fine, right? 225 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,240 - Yeah, that's what happens when you teach your body 226 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,080 how to be pregnant. 227 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,080 (laughing) 228 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:32,920 - I'm not sure that I'm not. 229 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:33,760 - But there was a moment of like, 230 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,880 "Oh wait, we can get those pickup shots." 231 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:36,760 (laughing) 232 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,600 - Yeah. 233 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,960 - 'Cause we were still at that point trying to get through post 234 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,280 because, as it turns out, being a parent takes a lot of time 235 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,200 and bandwidth. 236 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,200 So yeah, took us a little longer to finish. 237 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,320 - So let's take, sorry, I was gonna bring it back 238 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,960 to the movie itself actually. 239 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,680 'Cause let's start talking about like, 240 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:56,960 so we asked for some inspirations for the movie. 241 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,120 I know you were inspired to make it from events, 242 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,560 but were there movies that you looked at, 243 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:01,840 like a few movies that you looked at, 244 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,920 you're like, "We could do it like, 245 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,840 kind of like this movie and inspired you to actually do it." 246 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,480 - Well, you know how Matt said you have to like, 247 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,360 not know to jump in. 248 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,360 I was definitely heavily inspired by ignorance, I think. 249 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,480 So while I, yes, should have completely immersed myself 250 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,200 in research and watching all of these others, 251 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,240 I did not. 252 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,720 I can say in hindsight that it probably had a lot of influence 253 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,400 just from movies I'd loved. 254 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,440 Like a lot of Spielberg's movies have those long shots 255 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,760 with no coverage, and I knew doing this style 256 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,000 was gonna have to kind of be like that 257 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,600 without having the language to clarify that. 258 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,120 I knew that's what I was going for. 259 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,680 I would say probably the one we discussed during filming 260 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:42,960 was Cloverfield, just like, oh, it's like found footage. 261 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,120 We can use little VFX if we need more of it. 262 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,320 It's gonna be focused on your reaction 263 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,560 and what you hear off screen, then what we need to see. 264 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:54,040 And I probably was influenced a bit by Brit Marling, 265 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,680 and that was on a selfish endeavor of just like, 266 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,920 her creating vehicles for herself with what, you know, 267 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:01,160 she was like, I wanna tell this story, 268 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,080 but it's an immensely doable story 269 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,280 her first couple films, right? 270 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,480 Like Sound of My Voice and things. 271 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,200 So as seeing her success come out of that, 272 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,600 and it was one of the first times I was seeing a woman 273 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,680 be like, oh, I made this film and I'm in it. 274 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:14,680 Because before that, every time even for web series 275 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:16,680 or short films that go in and pitch things, 276 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:18,920 you'd get a lot of like headpats like, okay honey, 277 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,000 and don't take on too much. 278 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,640 And despite, you know, like, you being like, 279 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,360 it's based on my life or something. 280 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,040 And I wouldn't see that with gentlemen 281 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:25,960 that I'd go in and pitch with. 282 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,200 They'd be like, yeah, bro, you should totally play 283 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:27,960 that character. 284 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,040 Now, I'm thankful that it's definitely less so now. 285 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,880 I don't think they were saying that to Bradley Cooper, 286 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,760 Taika Waititi or anything, but you have, you know, 287 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,440 the Natasha Lyonnes and Quinta Brunsons and stuff showing 288 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,760 that multitasking is something some people, 289 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,160 regardless of gender, are good at. 290 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,120 And I knew that I was pretty solid in those arenas. 291 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,440 So I guess I didn't have a lot of research going into it. 292 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,880 We had a very set timeline 293 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,080 because I think we started production 294 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,800 where we were about three months pregnant. 295 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,760 So I was like, okay, we gotta get this going. 296 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,080 And I took it into SAG to try to get the contract all set 297 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,680 because very by-the-book kiddos that we were. 298 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,720 And initially they were like, okay, 299 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,720 well, you're gonna need to give us all this money. 300 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,440 And I was like, but to pay ourselves, 'cause it's just us. 301 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,240 And I go, you can't make a movie without a script 302 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,080 and this and this and this. 303 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,400 And I'm like, I mean, I can, here's the test footage. 304 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,720 And then eventually I was very thankful 305 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,040 that they worked with us at the time 306 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,320 and helped me figure out which contract to land on. 307 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,920 At the time, it was a new media contract, 308 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,640 which I was like, we can do this in XYZ to make it work. 309 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,160 Now it would be a micro budget, probably. 310 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,000 That would make it-- 311 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,680 - I’m a strong proponent of that under-20 micro-budget 312 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:28,040 contract that they have. 313 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,680 - It would have eventually gone over that 314 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:32,280 with deliverables and post and stuff. 315 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,600 - Just a real dumb question from the guy not in SAG, 316 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,840 but why would you go to SAG to talk to them 317 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,360 about a movie you're doing? 318 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,360 Like why involve the guild at all? 319 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,440 - I think my A-type wouldn’t let me. 320 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:45,280 - Yeah. 321 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,400 - But also I knew which actors I wanted to maybe ask 322 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,320 to do little appearances. 323 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,640 I knew I would need them to have that. 324 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,640 I knew my husband, you know, 325 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,400 a full disclosure for all of you 326 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,080 watching and listening at home. 327 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,480 Has been on the negotiating committees 328 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,320 and different committees for SAG now. 329 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:00,920 So yes, now I definitely would. 330 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,160 It is an easier phone call for me. 331 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,440 If we run into roadblocks, we can kind of call other people 332 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,920 to get help, which is a wonderful resource. 333 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,400 And they're definitely gotten a lot better 334 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,560 over the last years at being able to answer indie filmmakers 335 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:15,080 and people who are making your own projects questions. 336 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,560 In 2015, it was still a real challenge. 337 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:19,440 It was like you run into roadblock after roadblock 338 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,480 and then they would try to produce 339 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,160 for creators as like the enemy. 340 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,000 And I initially ran into some of that, 341 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,280 but having done enough, I was already a signatory 342 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,640 for different web series and things. 343 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:30,640 I knew the lay of the land. 344 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,040 I knew how to do the basic paperwork and play by the rules. 345 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,800 And I was kind of happy to do so 346 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,520 'cause I knew it could open extra doors for me. 347 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,200 - And make sure you pay yourself overtime. 348 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,480 - Well, yeah, they had, 349 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,560 so that was the contract similar to the micro 350 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:43,240 where you can negotiate any amount, 351 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,160 even if it's a deferred amount sort of or like your paid upon. 352 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,160 If X happens, this is when you get paid. 353 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,880 So it made it doable in that situation for us. 354 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,720 - Nice. 355 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:54,560 (laughing) 356 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,200 - Yeah, no, that's great. 357 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,520 Thank you, you know, I've just had 358 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,680 I’ve just had a complicated relationship with unions. 359 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:02,920 They do offer a lot of protection and benefits 360 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,920 and structure and all that stuff is so good, 361 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,440 but there's an element of just, 362 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,320 I just wanna make a movie and I promise I won't take 363 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,360 advantage of people. 364 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,080 Please trust me. 365 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,160 - Absolutely, yeah. 366 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,080 - And they've gotten better about answering that call, 367 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,760 right lately, but yes, it's still, 368 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:20,800 it can always use improvement 369 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,240 and I encourage others to help make those improvements. 370 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,480 - You know, continue to grow in and grow. 371 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:27,840 (laughing) 372 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:28,680 - That's great. 373 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:29,680 Yeah, it's okay. 374 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:31,640 All right, so you weren't watching stuff 375 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,720 to get inspiration from, which is impressive 376 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,840 because the movie has such a confidence 377 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,040 in it. You used the found footage 378 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,360 and a real commitment to it 379 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,760 that I don't see in a lot of other 380 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,080 found footage movies that are out there. 381 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,200 I think you guys just did a really excellent job 382 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,800 with motivating the camera and also making sure 383 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,480 to pick the right spot to get those little bits 384 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,960 of storytelling, like the flyer from the door 385 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,600 with a big gas mask warning on it, 386 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,800 which is really great. 387 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,440 Like, at no point did I question why the camera 388 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,640 was running and why they were bringing the camera with them. 389 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,720 Like it was just, it was really well done. 390 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:02,560 - Thank you. 391 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:05,400 I think creators, filmmakers in general, I've found 392 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,320 have to come from one of probably three main camps, right? 393 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,920 You're either coming from the super tech side 394 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,600 where you're like all about the angles and the shots 395 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,040 and the cameras and lenses and blah, blah, blah. 396 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,760 Or you're coming from the writer side, 397 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,600 which is part of my brain, for sure, 398 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:18,960 the crafting of the story. 399 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,880 Or you're coming from the actor side, right? 400 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,760 Where you're really all about the character 401 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,960 and those are gonna kind of motivate and guide you. 402 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,320 So I kind of had two out of the three 403 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,840 that were kind of guiding me, 404 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,360 definitely had a learning curve on the tech side. 405 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,000 But I knew character wise what we needed. 406 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,840 I also knew that pregnancy and the state of our nation 407 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:36,960 were really unpredictable. 408 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,520 So I didn't feel that writing a script 409 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,440 to adhere to would be that beneficial. 410 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,000 I kind of felt we needed to be more fluid. 411 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,560 And I knew Charlie and I had one of our strengths was improv. 412 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,240 So I was like, well, we can improv a scene. 413 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,280 If I just give us, you know, 414 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,480 we need to get to this point, this point, 415 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:52,320 in this point. - It's sure. 416 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,160 - And then we had an end here. 417 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,720 And then we had, in Rachael King, 418 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,480 we had a really wonderful editor who could take that 419 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,480 and make magic out of it 420 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,800 and sometimes makes adjustments later. 421 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Like, hey, we really could use a transition scene, 422 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,200 something like maybe this or this 423 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,520 and that would get my brain going. 424 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:05,560 And I might hear like, oh, 425 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,560 they're closing the streets for an early marathon 426 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,000 or a president's in town or whatever it is. 427 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,400 And we'd like go and take advantage of those moments. 428 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,320 We kind of ambulance-chased, you know, across the nation 429 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,720 because we didn't have to get. 430 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,520 Like, oh, this convention's going on. 431 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,400 Or this fire happened. 432 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,240 We should go check it out. 433 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,240 Or this protest is happening. 434 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,680 Let's go get footage. 435 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,440 And we did, which was crazy. 436 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,720 - Yeah, you got lots of feet and butts. 437 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,760 - Yeah, well, I also was very aware, 438 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,560 I'm like, we're not gonna get people to sign off 439 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,600 on this necessarily. 440 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,600 So we should make sure it's shot to the shoes. 441 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,360 - See, but that's one of the advantages 442 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,680 to our over militarized police force now. 443 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,600 Is their faces are covered a lot of the time. 444 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,840 You can just go ahead and shoot. 445 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,840 - They work back then, you know, cheese. 446 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,160 - Put them, put them, put them on camera. 447 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,160 - There you go. 448 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,720 That's a real silver lining, Robb. 449 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:50,560 Good job. 450 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,880 I'm fine, one silver lining and that awfulness of now. 451 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,400 Oh boy. 452 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,880 - So you kind of may already answer these questions, 453 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,680 but we always like to ask with the OPM 454 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,040 of your movie was, because every movie has certain 455 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:01,880 elements to it. 456 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,280 Every movie starts with an obsession. 457 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:05,520 Then there's some kind of pivot. 458 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:06,800 And then there's some kind of miracle 459 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:07,840 that shouldn't have happened. 460 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,720 So you kind of talked about why you wanted to make this, 461 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:12,960 but I guess. - You're more the pivot. 462 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,600 And I mean, probably the having to be 463 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,360 on modified bed rest toward the end 464 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,520 was a big like, okay, we're gonna scratch that running scene. 465 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,240 And what if we end up finding a place to like bunk or down, 466 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,760 kind of like, you know, we're looking for a manger 467 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:26,920 at this point? 468 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,280 Like we have a find a place and we were, 469 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,280 - Well, yeah. 470 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,840 - Well, if you were kind of improvising and mapping it out, 471 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,480 but at what point did it go from this, 472 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,160 this kind of baby diary of what it's like to raise a kid 473 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,040 and the specter of a maybe civil war 474 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,040 to having the actual footage of actual unrest? 475 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,800 Like at what point did it become more of a fable 476 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,320 of the modern world? 477 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,760 - We knew it would always end there. 478 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,200 Like that, I went into it wanting to show the terror 479 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,360 that can happen if even for these characters, 480 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,040 unlike ourselves, are rather apathetic politically. 481 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,560 Right, they're not necessarily very committed to either side, 482 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:04,640 quote unquote, they're just kind of like, 483 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:05,680 whatever, just leave us alone 484 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,840 and do your political thing over there. 485 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,120 And I think showing that that affects, 486 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:12,600 that this, the world's not gonna leave you alone 487 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:13,640 because you left it alone. 488 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:14,480 - Yeah, yeah. 489 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,240 - It was important that it's important to engage 490 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,920 while you can. 491 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,880 So it was interesting because the scene where the, 492 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,960 I mean, spoilers, but we hear people celebrating 493 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,680 in the streets because the president's been assassinated. 494 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,680 It hit real different in 2015, 2016 and 2020, right? 495 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,920 And you see different people, 496 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,640 when we've done test screenings, 497 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,880 react very differently to that, 498 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,680 based on how they would view our characters, 499 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,480 because I kind of like that either quote unquote, 500 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,040 side that people come to on this, 501 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,600 they assume we're on theirs, 502 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,240 which was great. 503 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,320 And so they were appalled with us, usually, 504 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,200 regardless because they assumed we're on their side. 505 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,080 And I think I needed that because I needed to go along 506 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,520 and see like it doesn't matter if somebody's 507 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,120 not terribly politically engaged. 508 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:06,000 It can still, if society falls, we're all affected. 509 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,160 - Well, that's one, that's one of the things I really liked 510 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,640 about your guys' characters actually politically. 511 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,440 The politics aren't real clear. 512 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,080 They get a little clearer at the end. 513 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,320 - Yeah, at the end we start to have to clarify. 514 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,880 - Right, but when it first starts happening, 515 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,200 there's no real politics. 516 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,360 It's more like, what the fuck is happening? 517 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:23,360 What's going on? 518 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,200 Like this is madness, this is crazy. 519 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,520 Can everybody just calm down? 520 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,080 We don't know how you feel about the president 521 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,840 being assassinated other than somebody got killed, 522 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,560 and people are celebrating about it. 523 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,120 And it's a weird thing that people shoot 524 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:36,720 off guns in the street and celebrating, 525 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,080 like you feel something happening, 526 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,320 but we don't get the sense of where you guys stand politically. 527 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,440 I mean, until the end and even then, 528 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,560 the politics are thrust upon you 529 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,880 more than anything else. 530 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,400 - Right, but even the idea of like, 531 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,920 you know, there's that big joke right now 532 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,240 about how certain presidents pass away 533 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,960 because of whatever there'll be celebrations in the street. 534 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,120 But, you know, I don't think it would be out of bounds 535 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:58,880 where people question the... 536 00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:59,720 - Tactfulness? 537 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:00,560 - Yeah, the tactlessness. 538 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,400 - Yeah, exactly. 539 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,800 The tacklessness of celebrating someone else's death. 540 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,440 Like, I get that, but it's like... 541 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,720 - I think that's most people. 542 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:07,560 - Yeah. 543 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:08,400 - Right? 544 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,240 Most people are kind of like, 545 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,240 "Oh, don't celebrate that." 546 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,080 - Yeah, I mean. 547 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,560 - This is very much so in 2015 and '16. 548 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:13,560 We all felt that. 549 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,680 So, it was eye-opening to me too. 550 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,080 And I think to your question, 551 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,800 I don't know if I clarified it before, 552 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,200 of when we realized that the world would kind of crumble 553 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,200 beneath our feet, like when we actually have to go 554 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,080 and run and we're on our own. 555 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,680 We kind of had... 556 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,240 Post-it notes on the wall because we didn't have a script. 557 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,560 And we would move those scenes around as things would happen. 558 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,320 And as we'd start to get rough cuts together 559 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,520 and be like, I think it needs to kind of happen here 560 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,360 to make it more interesting. 561 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:40,360 So, what if this happened? 562 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:43,280 And we'd just kind of play with shooting scenes of like, 563 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,120 what do we do tonight? 564 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:44,960 Let's just go try to do this. 565 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,880 What if we did some sort of scene where this happens? 566 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,440 And we had the room to play an experience together 567 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,080 which was magical for the most part. 568 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,840 I mean, on occasion, it would result in arguments 569 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,320 because, you know, married. 570 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,240 But mostly it would be like, 571 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,720 "Oh, this is great." 572 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,280 Or let's explore this moment. 573 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,240 What if the protests take a turn 574 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,160 and your business is destroyed? 575 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:04,920 That affects you more, 576 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,160 even if you were kind of like on their side ahead of time. 577 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,640 Like you start to see through a human lens 578 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,480 how people are affected by the downward spiral. 579 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,360 And it was wild. 580 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,400 It was wild to actually see it kind of come together. 581 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,200 The very, most of this, like I said, 582 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,880 was shot over the course of our first pregnancy in 2015. 583 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,320 And then a little bit over the second pregnancy in 2017. 584 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,960 And then the very last shot we got, 585 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,080 as we're piecing it together, like, 586 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,360 "Oh, you know what's missing?" 587 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,600 We need something in the car as we're running. 588 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,880 And so we got some car footage going out of town 589 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,960 and then we also got to see some destruction and stuff too. 590 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,280 And then we also got a shot when COVID closed, 591 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,120 everything down. 592 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,560 Our very last shot was going through the grocery store 593 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,920 and just seeing the empty shelves. 594 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,760 I was like, "Oh, this shut's down the supply chain." 595 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,600 - That shot was so real. 596 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,720 There were some questions I wanna ask you later 597 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,360 about pulling all these things together. 598 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:56,360 Because, no, it's great. 599 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:59,120 You told me that you shot this in 2015 600 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,680 and I was like, "There ain't no way 601 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,120 because it's so clearly a COVID movie." 602 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:07,160 But knowing all this, it's incredible. 603 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,160 - It was wild. 604 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,800 It came out, it was supposed to actually premiere. 605 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,440 We got sort of a soft premiere for Slamdance 606 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,320 was doing a special LA thing before it moved here. 607 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,640 And that was in 2020, but like March, April. 608 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,600 So we got the word that never mind. 609 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,440 And I was like, "Okay, it's fine. 610 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,600 "We have a little more time to do some polish on the VFX." 611 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,040 And then so we ended up premiering at Dances with Films 612 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,040 in 2021. 613 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,320 And we won the Audience Choice Award there, 614 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,880 which was crazy surprising and wonderful and glorious. 615 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,720 And ended up getting global distribution, 616 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,120 which was also amazing, but also not as amazing 617 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,760 as I think indie filmmakers go into it thinking. 618 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:41,600 - Yeah. 619 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,400 - I think filmmakers go into this being like, 620 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,960 "I'm gonna get distribution and then I get a check 621 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,560 "and yeah, I'm gonna go this money." 622 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,040 That is not the case. 623 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,920 That is, you don't make money on indie films. 624 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,760 Just full stop. 625 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,760 Maybe if you have a horror film that costs nothing 626 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:54,800 or you have a Christmas movie, 627 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,280 maybe Robb can answer that later. 628 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,280 (laughs) 629 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,360 - I have made no money. 630 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,040 - It's possible you will make money on those two genres. 631 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,400 Otherwise, you're not making money. 632 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,560 You're making a calling card. 633 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,000 You're making your first feature film. 634 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,280 You're making a wonderful opportunity 635 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,880 for yourself and networking. 636 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,880 But other than maybe lightning in a bottle, Blair Witch, 637 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,960 I don’t know, Sound of My Voice or something, 638 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,600 you're not making money. 639 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,840 You're making a film. 640 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,040 - Well, it's so funny because I guess maybe 641 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,920 because films are such a costly endeavor most of the time, 642 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,920 they don't have to be. 643 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,320 But I mean, they are. 644 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,000 So the first thought still a lot of people is, 645 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,200 who's the audience and how are you gonna make back your money? 646 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,400 It's like, you know, they don't ask these questions 647 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,480 of other artists and other genres. 648 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,200 Somebody's not painting a painting and you're like, 649 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,040 what? 650 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,680 Well, who's this painting for? 651 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,120 And how much money are you gonna make? 652 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,160 How much time you spent painting this painting? 653 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,760 Are you gonna make that money back? 654 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,200 Like nobody does that to painters, 655 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,200 but they do it to filmmakers all the time. 656 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,920 - Well, but it's less of a painting and more of a business, right? 657 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,280 Like it's less of a, let's take this thing 658 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,880 and hang it on the wall and more of a, 659 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,960 look at the store and what you can, 660 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,760 that you can go in and buy stuff. 661 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,360 Like you come out and open a business 662 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:01,640 because you're employing people 663 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,680 and then you're doing all this stuff. 664 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,760 Like, yeah, how are you gonna make money 665 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,600 with your business? 666 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,880 - Definitely a team sport, right? 667 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,720 Or it should be. 668 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,560 - Should be. 669 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,520 - Like I said, this is a endeavor. 670 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,840 - Yeah, yeah. 671 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,960 - It was an endeavor to do with this small crew. 672 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,320 But you're absolutely right. 673 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,760 Having to reverse engineer those questions, right? 674 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,800 It's hard. 675 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,400 So I would definitely encourage any filmmaker 676 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,720 to really clarify the business side of it going in. 677 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,160 I think usually you have to do that. 678 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,880 There's always an exception to the rule 679 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:31,920 where you may not need that. 680 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,760 But. 681 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,400 - If you want to and I will encourage filmmakers also, 682 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,000 throw your money away, if you want to. Go ahead. 683 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,280 I mean, I go ahead. 684 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,760 I threw my money away. 685 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:43,920 I had a great time. 686 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,760 - Look at it so far. 687 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,120 - I love the movie that I made 688 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,360 and that's what I paid for. 689 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:48,840 I paid for the experience of me 690 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,760 and everybody else to make this movie 691 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,200 knowing that that's what I was paying for. 692 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,040 - I didn't know that. 693 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,880 I didn't know that. 694 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:55,920 I definitely thought like, oh, 695 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,000 we're spending a little money to get this big reward. 696 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,840 And we were spending a little bit every year for six years 697 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,680 on post. 698 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,520 But looking back over it, 699 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,280 it becomes a bigger chunk, right? 700 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,880 And then what I really didn't know going into it 701 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,400 is a thing called deliverables. 702 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,480 Which if you do happen to get distribution, 703 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,800 they will then give you about a week or so 704 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,800 to turn over those deliverables. 705 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,120 Which if you have an entire team 706 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,320 might be entirely doable. 707 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,480 They might have done it along the time. 708 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,000 I'll lodge you went and be big, 709 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,000 bobbie, bobbie, boob, that's an email. 710 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,520 But if it is just you, that will not be the case. 711 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,560 So I relied heavily on the other women 712 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,760 who happened to have one, 713 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,040 or gotten distribution at that particular festival, 714 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,760 Dances with Films and their experience to gather 715 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,680 what a list of deliverables was, 716 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,680 as well as Brenda Bradley gave me a lovely list 717 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,640 to start to gather that ahead of time 718 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,320 when I was starting to be in talks with distributors. 719 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,800 And what to compare, how to decide on one, 720 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,960 what to gather, which I think was immensely helpful 721 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,520 'cause I got a little bit of a head start on that. 722 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,760 It was just a learning curve extraordinaire. 723 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,240 And you're paying, you're paying for that pleasure 724 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,320 to amass things like a quick poster in your, you know, 725 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,880 QC and your legal clearances on everything 726 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,600 and your subtitles and all the stuff 727 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,760 that you're like, wait, what? 728 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,560 And the hundred stills. 729 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,000 Oh yeah, what was that? 730 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,600 The E&O insurance and all that? 731 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,760 Like, yeah. 732 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:08,920 Yeah. 733 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,440 We really lucked out because Katrina, my wife, 734 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,120 spent years as a post sup. 735 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,120 So at the time we were assembling things like that, 736 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:18,080 she was like, yep, I'm on it. 737 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,160 And it was second nature for her 738 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,840 to put all that stuff together. 739 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,120 So then all I had to worry about 740 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,680 was the fun part of the deliverables. 741 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,360 Like, you know, make sure we had the deleted scenes, 742 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:28,200 make sure we heard of the commentary, stuff like that. 743 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,200 And then Katrina. 744 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,480 It sounds delicious. 745 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,640 I had to worry about the actual like music QC's 746 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,240 and all the paperwork and, ugh. 747 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Isn't having a team nice. 748 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,440 You got to marry better Paula. 749 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,280 Yeah. 750 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,840 Find someone who can do all that paperwork. 751 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,240 But like gathering, I will say for any sort of filmmaker 752 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,560 out there, whether or not you are doing it 753 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,160 by union contracts, so otherwise, 754 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,280 get all of your talent releases as you're filming. 755 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,880 Get all of your crew releases as you're filming. 756 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,000 Get your music releases as you're filming as Robb knows. 757 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,600 Sometimes I'm like, all right, can I get you to sign this 758 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,520 real quick so I just have it? 759 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,360 Yeah. 760 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:58,600 Scan it in my folder, ready to go. 761 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,640 In case any festival or distributors like, 762 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,400 do you have this? 763 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,840 Then I'm like, I do. 764 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,160 You can find templates online. 765 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,760 You can find them from various resources. 766 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,640 But just make sure you have your tuchus covered. 767 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,440 If you have your script, make sure it’s copyrighted, 768 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,480 not just WGA’d. Make sure you have the chain of possession 769 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,000 accounted for. 770 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:17,920 The chain of title. 771 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,440 Gosh. 772 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,200 I like counted. 773 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,520 Oh, chain, it's so funny. 774 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,720 When you get distribution, they do ask for all this stuff. 775 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,920 Like, I've had to do-- 776 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,400 I have to deal with this stuff for a minute. 777 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,080 It costs more if you have more than two words in your title. 778 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,920 Did you know that? 779 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,480 Networks are real demanding, but then you distribute yourself 780 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,680 and it goes to the same places that the network stuff 781 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:36,280 goes to. 782 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,920 And guess what they don't ask you for? 783 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,640 None of that. 784 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,720 Any other stuff. 785 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,240 Yeah. 786 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,080 Shut the front door. 787 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,160 None of it. 788 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,760 I would probably self distribute, if I were to do a super 789 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,080 indie again, just because my goodness. 790 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,560 So what they don't teach you is even 791 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,880 the transparent, well-reviewed distributors will then 792 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,040 send you a quarterly or biannual bill, essentially, 793 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,520 that breaks down what the movie made, across various platforms 794 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,040 or whatever. 795 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,400 And then it also will show you what you owe, 796 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,960 because they quote unquote spent on marketing or whatever. 797 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,040 And you're like, what marketing did you do? 798 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,560 And they're just-- 799 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,400 The operating concoms. 800 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:08,920 The operating concoms. 801 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,000 So there's actually never any way to get out of the hole. 802 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,200 The hole just gets bigger as far as what you owe. 803 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,240 Now, at the end of the term that they distribute it for, 804 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,960 they probably won't ask you for that money back. 805 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,680 Most of them don't. 806 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,480 They just write it off. 807 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,120 But still, it's not like you're making money on it. 808 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,320 So there are ways to self distribute and get around it. 809 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,720 Yeah, that was our experience with the distributor. 810 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,200 We got an MG, a minimum guarantee of like 5,000 or something, 811 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,400 and it immediately went into the void of the debt that we had. 812 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,800 But our contract for them just ended. 813 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,720 And they didn't come how into us for the money we owed them. 814 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,120 But they did send us all the DVDs that they couldn't sell anymore, 815 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,760 because they now belong to us. 816 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,400 So they sent Andy a couple boxes of the movie, 817 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,880 who then sent me a couple. 818 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,720 And then they used all the digital rights before the contract 819 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,720 and so the digital rights now belong to Tubi. 820 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200 So when it's on Tubi, it's nice, but it's not always on Tubi. 821 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,680 And then Tubi could sell it around and make money off of it. 822 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,200 But I haven't seen a quarterly earning in forever. 823 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,600 I think the last time we got one, 824 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,480 we were still like 16 grand in the hole. 825 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,320 That's not the worst. 826 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,200 And you know, they were like, we got a big Jeff 827 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,280 to make the movie posters for something else. 828 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,960 And you know, part of me gets it, like if I was a distributor, 829 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,480 I understand that there are operating costs and you need to 830 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,000 - Sure. Amortize those costs across 831 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,400 all the different things, but yeah, thank you. 832 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,640 But it sucks. 833 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,280 - Right. - Because you're not making money for yourself. 834 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,200 Like we can buy DVDs from them wholesale for five bucks 835 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,680 and then sell it for 20 so you're making 15, 836 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,000 but you're still fighting against the whole thing. 837 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,280 Yeah. - Your effort. 838 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,520 - Yeah, it's tough. 839 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,680 It's really tough. 840 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,800 - Yeah, I like independent distribution, by the way. 841 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,320 - I think I'm gonna have to, yeah, I would love, 842 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,360 I'm diving into that more. 843 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,880 Helena Santos has had a lot of success with her film 844 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,680 going her micro-micro-budgets going on Tubi 845 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,720 and getting some really nice returns. 846 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,160 - I’m on Tubi right now. 847 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,320 I have made back, I just did the math, 848 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,720 an estimated six percent of my purchase. 849 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,560 - Hey! - Hey! 850 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,400 - That's something! 851 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,640 I don't know where we've made any. 852 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,240 - We've made nothing, but six percent is really good. 853 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,880 On a hundred bucks, what is that like? 854 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,880 Six? 855 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,720 - No way, that's where this case comes way more. 856 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,120 - A lot of those Christmas trees went back. 857 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,680 Yeah. - Can you return Christmas trees? 858 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,520 - They're fake Christmas trees. 859 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,360 - Oh, they're fake. 860 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,200 Okay, nevermind. 861 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,000 - I'm just gonna see what happens with the Christmas movie 862 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,960 the second year, because Tubi put it on Tubi, 863 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,280 but after Christmas. - Okay, you haven't had the seed. 864 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,840 - And that's where we've made most of our money. 865 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,680 It’s on Tubi. 866 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,120 - I think you have good luck for Christmas. 867 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,240 And you let us know. 868 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,640 Circle back, do a Christmas episode 869 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,320 because I think if we did like a bloody Christmas movie, 870 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,880 you'd probably be like the best bed of making your money. 871 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,120 - Yeah, everybody's doing them now though, so let's see. 872 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,160 So to get back onto the OPM of it all, 873 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,920 the pivot, you talked about the bed rest, 874 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,480 was that the biggest pivot? 875 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,200 And is that why Charlie was hiking out 876 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,720 to Ruins by himself with a camera? 877 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,640 - No, he was going 'cause he was going on a hiking trip 878 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,200 that just happened to be passing through Detroit 879 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,680 with his friend and they were like, 880 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,160 oh, we'll go check out this political convention 881 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,480 'cause it'll have a big police presence. 882 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,640 And then they come back with this footage of them 883 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,640 like crawling through decrepit buildings 884 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,680 and I'm like, what were you doing? 885 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,360 And it was things you do before children. 886 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,880 - It was like, he's gonna step on a name. 887 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,160 - But what do you weren't thinking like, I could die? 888 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,800 - Yeah, it's the things you do when you're not sure 889 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,800 that you wanna be a dad. 890 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,840 I don't know, maybe just for caution of the win. 891 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,000 - Yeah, who knows? 892 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,840 - Who knows? 893 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,200 (laughing) 894 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,600 - So that was a pivot. 895 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,160 There was a lot of just happy accidents. 896 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,600 So I'm like, oh, I don't wanna say that 897 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,520 because some of it might be like, 898 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,040 oh, we're looking at a fire or something, 899 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,520 but a happy accident in that we kind of just went 900 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,800 with whatever life threw at us. 901 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,760 Like, oh, there's a protest. 902 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,040 Let's get some footage, see what we get. 903 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,360 The pivot, yeah, probably was the bed rest. 904 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,640 And maybe availability of different actors, 905 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,360 if we were like, hey, Glenn Morshower, 906 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,080 when are you in town, when can we do this? 907 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,080 And he shot in our darn decrepit garage 908 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,480 that we were remodeling in like 105 degree day. 909 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,240 And at one point, he actually did fall asleep. 910 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,400 (laughing) 911 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,720 The BTS one story. 912 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,320 Like, get out. 913 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,280 'Cause he's like, done for a while, it is so hot. 914 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,360 And I was like, is he okay? 915 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,600 Is he okay? 916 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,240 And he was such a trooper. 917 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240 But we got some amazing people to just come by 918 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,720 and do just a cameo for us, which was pretty fun. 919 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,560 - Nice. 920 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,200 You know, a bit of advice they got 921 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,520 when I was shooting my first short film was 922 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,840 that your movie should always take the audience places. 923 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,280 And I really appreciated with Delicate State 924 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,440 that I always felt like it was going somewhere. 925 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,440 Like, I didn't feel like I was just in and around 926 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,600 your house the entire time. 927 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760 Like, the garage felt so different 928 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,080 than the interior of the house 929 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,120 that felt different from the backyard of the house. 930 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,560 And like, the blown out building was like, 931 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,040 is this incredible production value? 932 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,440 And even when you walk past that burned out house, 933 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,320 which, yes, an unequivocal tragedy 934 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,240 for those involved that's, yeah. 935 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,400 - Well, I think it was abandoned. 936 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,520 - Well, let's hope, at least now it is. 937 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,520 - Yes. 938 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,560 But we would find places because, you know, 939 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,040 scrappy filmmakers do that. 940 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,240 Like, we'd drive around and be like, 941 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,760 oh, what about this railroad bridge? 942 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,280 What about this little, what if we go back here 943 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,200 in this little cul-de-sac? 944 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,520 Maybe we could film something here 945 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,320 and just kind of brainstorm guerrilla filming. 946 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,520 I guess we definitely didn't maybe 947 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,600 follow all the permitting laws that we should have. 948 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,440 - But. 949 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,440 - Who should? 950 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,280 Who cares? 951 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,120 - But we didn't have a tripod. 952 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:09,800 We had just a handheld. 953 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,440 So maybe we got to get around it anyway. 954 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,640 It depends on your cops. 955 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,480 - You're right. 956 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,760 - You're asking the king of running around town 957 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360 and filming stuff in front of the police. 958 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,120 - So it was, it was an adventure 959 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,640 and then we got a little shot with Lincoln. 960 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,600 We'd had ideas to shoot him in the hospital, 961 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,560 but we turns out there's always people coming in the room. 962 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,320 - It's really ding it. 963 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,160 - Okay. 964 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,840 And so we literally, I think you go back 965 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,320 like a few days later, right, 966 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,400 so maybe check out. 967 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,200 We literally like snagged a shot of Charlie. 968 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,200 We like found like a very quiet hall of the hospital. 969 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,880 We put up and shot in a window. 970 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,240 We're doing a lot of ask forgiveness versus permission. 971 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,080 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 972 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,920 - But when you have a baby, 973 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,120 people don't question you having a camera. 974 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,960 - No, right, yeah. 975 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,480 'Cause that's what you do with babies. 976 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,480 Take video. 977 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,320 - Right. 978 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,160 - That's the way you gotta do it. 979 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,640 Yeah, I mean, especially now, 980 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,720 like having all that footage is, 981 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,080 even if you didn't make the movie, 982 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,840 just having all that footage of you being pre-kid 983 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,960 to having the kid is just an awesome artifact. 984 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,880 - Like it's about factors that it's so wild 985 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,320 to see them do like, I cannot delete off my computer. 986 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,040 It just really needs me to clear space. 987 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,480 Like a couple of slates of them at like two and four 988 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,520 or something being so freaking adorable. 989 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,520 We're like, oh, but I can't. 990 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,920 - I'd say you should buy an extra hard drive, 991 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,160 but hard drives are like a billion dollars now, so. 992 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,880 - They are and did you know they don't last forever? 993 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,240 They actually, I think this from the VFX teams, 994 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,640 they start to disintegrate after a few years. 995 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,440 So you can't count on them just storing, 996 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,040 this was great advice from an amazing VFX, 997 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,640 like Oscar winning gal who was just on this film, 998 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,960 the summer they came with us, 999 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,600 who was awesome actor. 1000 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,560 But she's so fantastic and she was like, 1001 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,240 don't keep everything on a hard drive. 1002 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,640 Like back it up every two or three years 1003 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,840 on a new hard drive because they are disintegrating. 1004 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,520 - My movie, my high school, Miss Mary, 1005 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,560 high school, Miss is gone. 1006 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,400 - It's gone? 1007 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,240 - The hard drive, I think. 1008 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,080 - Oh no. 1009 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:52,920 - I have the backup footage, 1010 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,280 but I don't know what's left of it. 1011 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,480 I haven't had the hard to try to see what I've got. 1012 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,120 - I have hard drives around that I still need to plug in. 1013 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,600 I just have an old one from college 1014 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,960 that I don't even know if it works, 1015 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,240 but he still have it just in the barest hope 1016 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,920 that sometime in the future, 1017 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,040 someone's gonna figure out how to save that stuff 1018 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,320 and then I'll have it. 1019 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,440 Oh yeah, in the future, 1020 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,040 somebody will hold your phone over a hard drive platter 1021 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,360 and all the data would be there. 1022 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,800 - But now phones are so amazing. 1023 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,280 Like we had to do, you know, 1024 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,120 pick the brains of so many seven photographer friends 1025 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,720 being like, what camera can us dummies use 1026 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:26,240 that will auto focus, 1027 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:27,480 that we could just like touch the screen 1028 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,440 and it will keep us in focus as we move. 1029 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,520 That's okay in low light. 1030 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,440 Like, there has a decent microphone 1031 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,800 'cause I don't know if what necessarily 1032 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,920 always be running sound, which sometimes we work. 1033 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,080 Sometimes we work. 1034 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,880 And so I think we found the Samsung NX1, 1035 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,960 which now they don’t make anymore, 1036 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,800 but it was great for what we needed then. 1037 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,400 There's so many better ones out now. 1038 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,440 (laughs) 1039 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,640 But yeah, it was, you know, 1040 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,480 because we didn't come from that tech side, 1041 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,360 there's a lot of tech learning curve. 1042 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,880 - But your footage looked really good. 1043 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,160 Like, I don't know if you shot stuff that didn't work 1044 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,240 or stuff was under exposed or anything, 1045 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,520 but I mean, the cinematography of it all, 1046 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,920 for you guys doing it yourselves was really good. 1047 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,960 - I mean, we weren't newbs in as far as, 1048 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,640 like, you know, composition and lighting, I suppose, 1049 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,000 because we'd been doing, we've been on sets for so long 1050 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,760 and film lovers. 1051 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,600 - Right. 1052 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,920 - But also, we'd been doing self tapes for, 1053 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,120 you know, 10 years prior to that, 1054 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,200 because we’d been bi-coastal. 1055 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,960 So before other people were doing it, 1056 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,640 we were doing almost daily camera setups 1057 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,800 and being like, you know, this looks better 1058 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,640 if we have the light here. 1059 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,640 What if we put one here? 1060 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,320 And just kind of trial and error learning. 1061 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,160 - Yeah. 1062 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,000 - What worked. 1063 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,840 And then, you know, there's this thing called YouTube, 1064 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,720 which you can actually watch and find out, like, 1065 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,480 oh, this is how you light something. 1066 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,120 I mean, we definitely utilize that. 1067 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,320 Like, how would we light it better? 1068 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,760 - How do you spell that? 1069 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,600 You do. 1070 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,760 - But it's not the letter you. 1071 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,760 It's the Y-O-U. 1072 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,000 - You do, with a U. 1073 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,520 (laughing) 1074 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,200 But with, you know, sometimes you can make something 1075 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,480 look real nice with the concept of lighting and stuff, 1076 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,000 but it's hard to translate it to the physical camera. 1077 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,920 If you don't, if you're not super familiar with it. 1078 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,240 - Sure, and like, you know, wardrobe is a consideration. 1079 00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:00,560 Colors are big for me, so I know how, like, colors affect things. 1080 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,680 I'd have to make sure that I set dressed a little, 1081 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,040 cleaned a little bit, so I wasn't like, 1082 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,520 "Here's my laundry back here." 1083 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,360 And last, I needed that to be back there for a scene. 1084 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,000 So there was a fair amount. 1085 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,400 - But your house looked lovely. 1086 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,080 - Only in the size of a pretty nice. 1087 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,080 - But you guys have good taste, and that's your house. 1088 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,280 And so it looked really nice on camera. 1089 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,560 - Yeah, and it felt like a house 1090 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,920 that child-free people live in. 1091 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,560 Again, I kept assuming you shot it during COVID. 1092 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,920 So I was like, it's incredible how they were able 1093 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,360 to clear all the kid stuff out and still have this 1094 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,200 great looking place. 1095 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,240 - Just to pick up shots we had too. 1096 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,200 - Yeah, but it still looks great though. 1097 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,120 - You had to track it whether Paula had red hair or blonde? 1098 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,920 - Yeah, they were the red shirt. 1099 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,240 You can't dye it when you're pregnant, 1100 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,360 so it starts to definitely fade, right? 1101 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,560 Back into the blondies. 1102 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,880 But I think you see Lincoln as a toddler 1103 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,280 in one of the shots as we're trying to like, 1104 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,480 make our way into the hospital. 1105 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,320 - Yeah. 1106 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,040 - He's being held by somebody, and he's like, no! 1107 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:56,880 (laughing) 1108 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,880 - Yeah, I was like, wait, I think that's the real kid. 1109 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,720 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1110 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,800 (laughing) 1111 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,760 - Well, yeah, that's great. 1112 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,320 Well, let's get into the ingenuity of it all. 1113 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,060 And you talked about this a lot already, which is great, 1114 00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:13,560 but I mean, and I don't mean to be super stodgy 1115 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,480 about our stupid structure, but what's wonderful 1116 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,160 about our stupid structure, but what’s wonderful 1117 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,320 about Delicate State, and the thing I keep hinting at, 1118 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,040 in a different space because then we know each other 1119 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,760 outside of this, but I forgot when your kids were born. 1120 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,920 So I was like, clearly it was Elliot was born in 2020, 1121 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,520 and you guys were like, oh, I remember the first time 1122 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,960 we were going through this, so, but that's not the case, 1123 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,160 which is even crazier, and the motivation to keep it going 1124 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,160 for six years while raising two kids is crazy impressive. 1125 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,680 Even more impressive than just shooting while you're pregnant. 1126 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,880 - I mean, we were mostly done by the end of 2019, 1127 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,240 'cause Elliot was born in 2017. 1128 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,080 So in the 2019, you were pretty much done. 1129 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,000 We kind of got the word from Chimaera 1130 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,160 that we were selected for the slam dance thing, 1131 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,180 and we're like, okay, how can we speed through 1132 00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:04,080 all the way, I got this grant from Chimaera 1133 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,000 to get some of our finishing funds together 1134 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,520 for our VFX that we needed to add in the planes 1135 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,560 and some smoke and explosions and stuff. 1136 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,760 And this amazing big day came on, 1137 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,080 Dave, maybe, was our just Jack of all trades 1138 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,640 and could do those for us, and he was able to do it, 1139 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,240 but it still, you know, very crunched him out of time. 1140 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,120 You know, fast, cheap, or good, and we needed, 1141 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,000 you know, cheap and good. 1142 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,920 So, but we lucked out with, I mean, not lucked out COVID, 1143 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,000 but we lucked out, I suppose, 1144 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,680 and that we were able to get that extra year of polish time. 1145 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,360 So much of the delay was not chosen, but rolled with, 1146 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,560 like you kind of have to have, 1147 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,680 and just having children, as you guys know, 1148 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,920 requires, you're like, it's fine, no, go to bed, 1149 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,160 and then I'll still do all this stuff at night, 1150 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,320 like I usually did, like, all right, 1151 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,160 and I'll be so productive, 1152 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,480 and instead, you're like, I am exhausted, good night. 1153 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,840 And so there was, you know, some plenty of times 1154 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,360 of doing that. (laughs) 1155 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,000 Yeah, I don't, I don't think I wrote anything 1156 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,920 for the first 18 months, the kid was alive. 1157 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,080 Like, I was all fired up about writing right before she was born, 1158 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,360 or taking meetings on some script we had, 1159 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,800 and we were feeling great, even though they rejected it 1160 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,640 for dumb reasons, or started to work on something else, 1161 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,960 until the kid was born, and then it all dropped out. 1162 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,280 And I was finally put it all back together, 1163 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,680 getting out there, and it was March of 2020. 1164 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,600 And I was like, yeah, I got the wheel back on the bus, 1165 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,120 here we go, and then the world exploded. 1166 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,760 And I was, ah, my gosh. 1167 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,040 I will say something though about COVID, 1168 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,040 which, you know, COVID obviously sucked ass. 1169 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,360 It sucked so bad. 1170 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,920 Bold stance, Robb. 1171 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,360 I know, I know, I know. 1172 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,360 It's a controversial take, but the one thing it did, 1173 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,720 though, was it did kind of make you just kind of go, 1174 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:49,040 okay, what the hell are we doing? 1175 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,920 Like, we all took stock. 1176 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,560 We didn't necessarily like what the stock said, 1177 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,080 but we all, like the movie, you knew you had time, 1178 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,760 because nothing's going on. 1179 00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,960 Like, you're not missing out. 1180 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,480 There's no FOMO. 1181 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,360 There's no-- - Well, we thought we had two weeks, 1182 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,360 extra, right, initially. 1183 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,360 (laughing) 1184 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,440 So I go, okay, two weeks, so we can do this. 1185 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,560 It was a real eye opener, and I feel incredibly lucky, 1186 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,960 because it hit at a time for us that wasn't nearly 1187 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,600 as hard to deal with as it was for many others. 1188 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,320 In hindsight, it was a lovely, weird capsule for us 1189 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,560 to just be together and to focus on like, 1190 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,360 okay, well, when they're napping, let's try to, 1191 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,840 like, make steps towards this, and be creative, 1192 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,800 but it, oh man. 1193 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,760 And I think not knowing how long it would be 1194 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,920 as we started that made it more doable and then beginning. 1195 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,840 But let's, you know, I don't know, a crazy idea. 1196 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,120 What if we didn't have another? 1197 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,680 What if we like, listen to science? 1198 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:42,960 That would be cool. - Oh, that would be good, 1199 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,240 but, you know, we'll get the measles thing coming up. 1200 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,080 - Yeah, you know-- - And what happens again, 1201 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,080 we'll be ready for it. 1202 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,240 You understand? - Yeah. 1203 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,440 - The lock of the doors will keep us inside, 1204 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,240 and this time we'll know what's going on. 1205 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:54,800 - I really trust the people who are in charge. 1206 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,520 - I already got my big bucket of horse paste. 1207 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,760 I'm all ready to go pull on into the grip for everyone else. 1208 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:00,760 - Oh, yeah, I'm sure. 1209 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,480 (laughing) 1210 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,360 - Don’t manifest another pandemic. 1211 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,920 - I like my toilet paper so much, you guys. 1212 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,920 - Yeah, my toilet paper's still so expensive, too. 1213 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,280 - Let's talk about something fun, 1214 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,440 'cause, you know, we have this weekly topic on here 1215 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,360 that we're talking about, the Found Footage Stuff, 1216 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,600 and we've talked about ingenuity. 1217 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,600 The ingenuity of you just taking advantage of your, 1218 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,280 the situation you were in personally 1219 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,560 and the global situation to like, 1220 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,200 came together for this movie. 1221 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,040 - What's that? 1222 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:31,880 What's your name? 1223 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,200 It's like, there's like a way of thinking of brainstorming, 1224 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,760 and I think, is it Always Sunny in Philadelphia? 1225 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,960 It's one of the guys that's like, they had a name for it, 1226 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,360 and it was brilliant, I've shared it before, 1227 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,040 where you just spit ball ideas. 1228 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,120 Like, all the ideas, you put, there's no bad ones, right? 1229 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,640 You're just putting 'em all on a board, 1230 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,680 and you're like, looking at 'em, 1231 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,800 and then you start to arrange 'em, 1232 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,600 and kind of organize 'em into groups, 1233 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,760 and it just kind of starts to come and do a clear picture 1234 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,520 of like, oh, this is what we're doing. 1235 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,360 It's sort of what we-- 1236 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,720 - So when you say ideas, do you mean like, 1237 00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,200 scene ideas, or like larger ideas, or-- 1238 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,920 - Like, yes, anything, yes, I am, right? 1239 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,400 So it's like, okay, well, we have us, 1240 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,080 we're the main characters, okay, cool. 1241 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,520 And then, well, I'm pregnant, so we're gonna add that on there, 1242 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,160 so we have to build that in somehow. 1243 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,800 Unless we hide it, do we wanna hide it? 1244 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,520 We'll put hide it over here just in case, 1245 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,240 and you start putting everything on the board 1246 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,520 to see what it is, and like, what speaks to me now? 1247 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,480 What am I concerned about? 1248 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,320 What am I worried about? 1249 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,360 I'm worried about all these people talking about civil war, 1250 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,800 like, it's no big deal, like, that could be fun, 1251 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,200 maybe it'd be worth it, I like my guns, 1252 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,400 poo-poo, and like, putting things up, 1253 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,200 and like, maternal mortality was up there, 1254 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,440 and we just kinda looked at it, 1255 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,280 and started to like, organize 'em like, well, 1256 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,520 there's some overlap here. 1257 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,200 What if it's our story, and it's just us? 1258 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,040 Like, that's doable, right? 1259 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,800 Just documenting, and then we don't have to worry 1260 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,760 about coverage, and necessarily, 1261 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,600 fancy cinematography, it's just, 1262 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,600 you get a lot of forgiveness with that footage. 1263 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,400 And then, you have this global thing happening, 1264 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,640 and what if that encroaches? 1265 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,160 I was like, I like that, because it starts to tell the tale 1266 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,480 of how it affects us, because I think people 1267 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,800 so often disassociate and don't realize 1268 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,800 how these things that they flippantly talk about 1269 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,480 actually would affect all of us. 1270 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,920 And sometimes people just don't think about 1271 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,000 until they affect them personally, which are-- 1272 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,360 - Yeah, it's so frustrating. 1273 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,000 - But to have that, for those lacking creativity 1274 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,280 and empathy, maybe to show them how that spells out, right? 1275 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,320 I think that's sort of the magic of storytelling, 1276 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,720 that's what I love, and is worth it to me, 1277 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,440 for all these blood, sweat, and tears we pour in 1278 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,000 to filmmaking and storytelling, is because you have this magic 1279 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,240 to change minds by changing hearts first. 1280 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:23,720 So you always come at it through the heart, 1281 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:25,560 and then people sometimes have that moment 1282 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,040 of sitting back and going, oh, which I really loved seeing 1283 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,160 in a couple of theaters, especially playing 1284 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,880 in the Midwest, certain areas, where they start 1285 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,600 associating like, yeah, they're on our side, 1286 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,120 and then as the movie went on, sitting back, 1287 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,120 more on their seats. 1288 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,360 And some of the best compliments I got 1289 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,920 about this film was somebody saying, 1290 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,400 this is an important film. 1291 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,320 This is something that I hadn't really kind of fought 1292 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,600 about or realized, and now I can't unthink about it. 1293 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,200 And so I think that was like, well, good, 1294 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,880 that's why I made this. 1295 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,320 - We take so much stuff for granted, 1296 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,640 that the hospitals and health, and even with our 1297 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,800 crappy healthcare system we have now, 1298 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,960 we still take it for granted. 1299 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,200 - We don't add toilet paper, food. 1300 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,040 - Yeah. 1301 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:08,880 - Schools. 1302 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,240 - Electricity. 1303 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,880 - Yeah, having your house not affected, which people 1304 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,560 all over the world is really when I, 1305 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,480 when I was pregnant, was I started to really pay attention 1306 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,680 to realize like, oh, these women in XYZ nations right now 1307 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,760 are not guaranteed that their house won't be bombed, 1308 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,880 are not guaranteed that, you know, 1309 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,520 rebels won't show up and kick them out of their house 1310 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,360 or rape them or kill their kids or whatever, 1311 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,000 like take them to be child soldiers, 1312 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,920 like they're dealing with so much more than we ever, 1313 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:33,760 even really. 1314 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,960 - Yeah, and morning sickness. 1315 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,160 - And morning sickness on top of all of it. 1316 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,000 All of it. 1317 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,120 And all the little things that make pregnancy hard, 1318 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,280 and then the big things that make life hard at the same time. 1319 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,840 - And it hit on a different note when I was living in that. 1320 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,120 So I wanted to share it. 1321 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,920 - It's really fascinating, 'cause, you know, 1322 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,680 it's crazy how it all came together, 1323 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,720 because watching it, it felt like externalization 1324 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:57,040 of what it's like to be pregnant, 1325 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,080 where you become aware of the world 1326 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,760 and the dangers that exist in it. 1327 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,840 Before we had a kid, I would never think about things 1328 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,720 like someone sticking their hands in a electrical socket 1329 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,200 or just stuff you don't see until this thing happened. 1330 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,440 - The dangers it is, yeah. 1331 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,280 And how many children didn't survive 1332 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,080 for grandparents, great grandparents even? 1333 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:15,920 - Yeah. 1334 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,080 - So one of the things I really liked about Delicate State 1335 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,480 was that essence of like, oh, you get pregnant, 1336 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,480 and you're in your honeymoon phase, 1337 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,640 where everything is all great, 1338 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,720 until you slowly start hearing the rest of the world. 1339 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,440 - Till it affected us, right? 1340 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,160 Until it starts to affect us, we started to have to. 1341 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,640 - Yeah, but I think a lesser movie would make that, 1342 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,120 and this is gonna sound weird, 1343 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,320 a lesser movie would make that way more upfront. 1344 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,800 And I really appreciate how slowly it built 1345 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,680 in relation to how the pregnancy was moving. 1346 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,280 Like, we didn't see the complication outside 1347 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,360 until it wasn't pretty clumsy. 1348 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,200 What was that? 1349 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,080 - The medical issue, the-- 1350 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:53,920 - The previa. 1351 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,400 - The previa, yeah. 1352 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,120 Like, it happened, and then we started seeing 1353 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,880 the external stuff, and I thought it was a really great 1354 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,520 parallel as it was happening. 1355 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,320 - Yeah, that's when you start your eyes start to open. 1356 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,600 - I didn't even think of it that way, 1357 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,600 but that is a good way, 1358 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,000 this is a really great way to analyze this movie. 1359 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,720 Although, you're gonna, I do want people to get pregnant 1360 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,160 ever again, are you trying to terrify people? 1361 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,480 - I want them to, if they want to. 1362 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,920 I want them to be aware, and to appreciate 1363 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,760 all that goes into making a human, 1364 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,280 because I think it really helps you make better choices 1365 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,600 for the humans that are here. 1366 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,760 I don't think women are getting us into wars, 1367 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,880 because it's really hard to make a human, 1368 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,720 and you don't want to waste the humans. 1369 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:34,800 I mean, maybe granted, yes, per human basis, 1370 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,240 there might be some that we could see go. 1371 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,720 But most humans-- 1372 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:40,720 - Paula, we establish it is tactless 1373 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:43,440 to celebrate the death of certain people, remember? 1374 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,720 - Right, there are people on a person basis 1375 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,240 that you might later, after the reactions, 1376 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,800 as adults, make you have to re-evaluate that on occasion. 1377 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,800 But as a general group, we're not wanting to 1378 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,320 endanger groups, we're not risking like, 1379 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,880 okay, yeah, send that bomb, even if it's a school, 1380 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,040 whatever, it's worth it. 1381 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,360 Like, we know the human cost of that, the heart cost of that. 1382 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,760 And I don't think it's brave, I don't think it's strong. 1383 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,520 I think it's weak, and it ends up making 1384 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,840 enemies for generations. 1385 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,840 So it doesn't make us safer either. 1386 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,880 And I think I needed to also kind of highlight that. 1387 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,320 - Well, it does a really good job of that. 1388 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,160 - Yeah, all of this, you know, small lifts, 1389 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,160 small lifts, come on. 1390 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,280 - Show people that can make a movie 1391 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,960 of "Available Pregnant" and with no resources, 1392 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,360 and also open our eyes to the impending doom before we fall. 1393 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,480 - Yeah, no, I think any time you, 1394 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,600 some of the conversations I had before we got pregnant 1395 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,040 and during the pregnancy was to talk to other women 1396 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,760 who were pregnant. 1397 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,560 My whole gimmick, as I was becoming a dad, 1398 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,360 was to talk to other parents about how they did things. 1399 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,480 And I glued together all that advice 1400 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,400 into a wider whole for me, because, you know, 1401 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,560 for a long time, pregnancy had been this girl thing. 1402 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,520 And I say, "Girls specifically," 1403 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,920 that men didn't have to worry about. 1404 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,400 Like, ladies did that, and all men had to do is-- 1405 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,840 - Show up and get us a go. 1406 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,400 - Exactly, show up and get us a go. 1407 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,400 Like, make sure there was money coming into the house, 1408 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,720 but increasingly, I was like-- 1409 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,000 - But I think that's really only been the last hundred years or so. 1410 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,880 Before that, well, more than a hundred, 1411 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,480 but like feudalism, right? 1412 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,320 - Yeah. 1413 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,160 - Before that, it wasn't quite so segmented and gendered. 1414 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,080 - Well, because if you wanted your children to survive, 1415 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,320 you kind of had to work. 1416 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,320 You had to work at it. 1417 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,080 - But it was a lot more collaborative pre-futalism. 1418 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,240 Because before when it was working your land, 1419 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,160 everybody had to work, women had to work men had to work. 1420 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,240 When it's working for the boss, you're required an output, 1421 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,520 which also requires somebody else to then be home, 1422 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,440 taking care of stuff. 1423 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,040 So there was then a split in what gender roles were. 1424 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,120 So that's where you really start to see a divergence. 1425 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,880 But yeah, definitely modern history, you're right. 1426 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,320 It was from, you know, Victorian era on. 1427 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,280 It was definitely a, "Boys do this, girls do this." 1428 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,560 And don't talk about anything gross, la la la. 1429 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:49,400 - Exactly. 1430 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,840 I talked to a friend of mine who had a real, 1431 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,880 harrowing pregnancy, and she was telling me the story. 1432 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,800 - Yeah, and it's awesome. 1433 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,840 And I love that she told me, but, you know, 1434 00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,000 And I had a full-on panic attack while she was telling me the story. 1435 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,600 And I had a full on panic tech while she was telling me the story. 1436 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,680 But I'm so appreciative that she told me, 1437 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,280 because it really opened my eyes to the dangers 1438 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,200 and what could happen. 1439 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,840 And I think that this age of dads becoming more enlightened 1440 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,000 about child-rearing and how it works 1441 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,840 is so beneficial to everything. 1442 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,680 Because if we somehow can't get women in charge, 1443 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,400 at least we can have men in charge 1444 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,640 who know what's involved in having children. 1445 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,160 - I'm a proponent of having women in charge, 1446 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,200 just to put that out there. 1447 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,360 - But don't just a clever lot. 1448 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,880 - I'm not subscribing to your newsletter quite yet. 1449 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,160 (laughing) 1450 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,800 - So it's wild times, it is. 1451 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,080 But like the tool we have is storytelling, right? 1452 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,280 It's sort of our duty. 1453 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,200 It's what I feel like. 1454 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,320 Like how do we keep getting out of bed 1455 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,440 and doing this when it's exhausting? 1456 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,480 And like maybe not the rewards we thought would come. 1457 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,200 It's because we have to use our voice. 1458 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,000 We have to use our special powers 1459 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,520 to get these stories out there. 1460 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,120 - Can I ask just one nerdy question about the movie itself? 1461 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,040 - Absolutely. 1462 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,040 - Where did you shoot that stuff on the next to the docks 1463 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,400 on the, you know, with the bad people taking over the car? 1464 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,080 - I want to say it’s like Van Nuys-ish. 1465 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,560 It was literally finding the railroad tracks 1466 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,000 and following along until we found the bridge. 1467 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,920 And then if you go around that industrial area, 1468 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,440 there is a little cul-de-sac area 1469 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,440 that just driving around there were like, 1470 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,800 "Hey, what about this?" 1471 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,240 Did you light it or was, or you using the lights that were there? 1472 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,280 - We went at night to, well, first we found it the day 1473 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,320 because yikes. 1474 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,720 And then we went back at night to see how sketchy it might be. 1475 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,920 And it was pretty well lit at the time. 1476 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,920 And we had a camera with good low light. 1477 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,520 - That, 'cause that scene, for anybody who's listening 1478 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:39,800 who is going to watch the movie, 1479 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,120 and hopefully that's everyone. 1480 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,160 That scene is a really good example of economy 1481 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,400 in filmmaking. 1482 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,440 Like it's a tense scene. 1483 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,080 There's a lot of people in it. 1484 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,400 It's one shot. 1485 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,520 And it doesn't need to be anymore. 1486 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,760 And that's all it needed to be. 1487 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,840 And the location does a lot of work. 1488 00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,520 And the actors do a lot of work too. 1489 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,560 But like you even mixed it so you can barely hear them. 1490 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,560 I had subtitles on. 1491 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,120 So I knew exactly what they were saying. 1492 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,160 - I had to make it, yeah, we had to make that decision of like, 1493 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,400 "Okay, they're gonna be outside. 1494 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,360 I'm in the car filming. 1495 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,640 This is what I would hear." 1496 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,920 That kind of makes it scarier to not know exactly 1497 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:13,760 what's being said. 1498 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:14,600 - It does. 1499 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,840 The subtitles were definitely undermining the tension 1500 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,000 by showing the exactly- 1501 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,680 - And the two Charlies, my Charlie and Charlie Halford. 1502 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,720 He was excellent and really broad. 1503 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:24,120 And he was like, "Well, how much do you want me to really 1504 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,960 "like rough them up?" 1505 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,080 And I was like, "I'm gonna let you two talk about that. 1506 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,680 "But I need it to look real." 1507 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,520 And I was a polling favors of getting friends out there 1508 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,440 that night. 1509 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,480 And I wanted to make sure it didn't look like just, 1510 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,720 I wanted there to be white people causing trouble. 1511 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,920 That was a conscious choice of like, 1512 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,680 "No, I think you would have people taking advantage of this." 1513 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,360 - Well, you do have the pink mohawk. 1514 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,400 - Oh, like, yeah, I'm Andy. 1515 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,360 - Which is a nice throwback to A.D.'s thuggery. 1516 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,480 - She just came with that and I was like, 1517 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,320 "Let's go, let's go." 1518 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,520 (laughing) 1519 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,680 Yeah, and just seeing how people would take advantage 1520 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,720 of a deterioration in society because so many would 1521 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,080 in chaos, people can steal. 1522 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,440 - Well, and directly I thought it was really well done. 1523 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,040 I just wanted to say that. 1524 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,840 - Yeah, it's another one of those like, 1525 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,120 I never questioned the position of the camera 1526 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,640 or what it was doing. 1527 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,880 I mean, I saw this found footage movie years ago. 1528 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,640 That was always coming up with the most 1529 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,760 contrived reasons to bring the camera out into the action. 1530 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,920 It was always so forced, but this was, you know, 1531 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,960 like, yeah, you wanted to get all these faces on the video 1532 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,560 because-- - Why did they not take the camera? 1533 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,920 I don't know, maybe, whatever, 1534 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,560 but we just kind of like kind of ran with that 1535 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,200 to figure out-- - But even if they did, 1536 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,520 I'm not questioning the final destination 1537 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,680 of all this footage. 1538 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,520 I'm just, I'm in it. 1539 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,800 - That was very thoughtful of them 1540 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:37,720 to let you finish your business. 1541 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:38,560 - It was. 1542 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,360 We really tried to work through all that of like, 1543 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,880 "Okay, well, we could lose the car. 1544 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:42,720 "We could lose this. 1545 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,800 "How do we not lose the camera?" 1546 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,320 I mean, they just decided to leave us like camera, I guess. 1547 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,840 - They had empathy for the pregnant woman. 1548 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,360 - Yeah, or I just took it and ran. 1549 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,440 They're like, "Take what you can and go." 1550 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,120 - Well, what's really funny is that like, 1551 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,400 there's nobody in this movie 1552 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,520 and tell you look at the credits 1553 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,600 and there's like a billion people in this movie 1554 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,160 with nobody in it. 1555 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,080 There's so many people in your movie with nobody in it. 1556 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,880 - I didn't even do solids for us. 1557 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,480 I know, we just lost Dee Freeman, 1558 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,240 who was one of our doctors in the final scene. 1559 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:09,440 She passed away of cancer just so I think this summer, 1560 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,760 but yeah, just last summer. 1561 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,920 - I just saw that, but it was, 1562 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,600 it was so many talents that had crossed paths with us 1563 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,480 from like plays and web series 1564 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,560 and just all sorts of voiceover. 1565 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,560 And I was so touched that everybody that I asked 1566 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,200 was like, "Yeah, yeah, I mean let's go." 1567 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,360 And I will say that is the secret to filmmaking, 1568 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,720 even some of my more recent films, 1569 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,280 never be afraid to ask an actor. 1570 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,360 I don't know that you will get a no from any actor 1571 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,360 if you say, "I wrote this for you." 1572 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,880 If you give them an opportunity to play, 1573 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,000 actors, and I say this as an actor, 1574 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,600 probably the easiest part to attach. 1575 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,360 If you can get a hold of them, 1576 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,280 and they're not just a total like Kuntberger or something, 1577 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,080 they will most likely be like, "Yeah, let's go." 1578 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,320 Especially if they know you as a person 1579 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,440 or someone you know, right? 1580 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,640 I mean, yes, it is a profession, we do it, 1581 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,160 we deserve to be paid for it. 1582 00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,000 But we also love to do it. 1583 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,880 - Yeah, there's no point in being an actor 1584 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,080 if you don't act. 1585 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,600 You gotta act to be an actor. 1586 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,280 - Right, so don't let worrying about not knowing 1587 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,920 the right actors or being able to get a hold of them 1588 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,240 stop you. 1589 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:11,240 Reach out to the actors. 1590 00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:14,920 - You know, when we did Litton, we didn't know, came. 1591 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,800 But we somehow knew as manager or something, 1592 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,760 but, and I think that's the other trick, 1593 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,800 is to go through the managers not through the agents, 1594 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,360 'cause the agents want money 1595 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,160 while managers think about what the role can do. 1596 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,160 And so also if you want someone big in your movie, 1597 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,760 like the trick is to give them something 1598 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,000 they don't normally do. 1599 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,680 - Like Doug Jones getting to do something 1600 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,000 without special effects in your phone. 1601 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:38,840 - Exactly. 1602 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:39,680 - You told us even in holding you, 1603 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,200 I was like, this was so magical, I get to be me. 1604 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,000 And I was like, I love that, Dougie. 1605 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,360 And I mean, he's just a glorious human anyway. 1606 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,360 But yeah, even for Burned, 1607 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,000 which was one of the films I just recently did, 1608 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,200 that edited by Robb here, and acted in, 1609 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,440 and all the things, music. 1610 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,520 But it was wonderful to reach out to people, 1611 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,400 like just cold Instagram them, 1612 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,000 being like, this is gonna go to the other box, 1613 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,000 and not gonna see it at all. 1614 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,960 Sissy Jones was fresh off like a bathtub in, 1615 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,840 and I just messaged her at like 10 o'clock at night, 1616 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,200 knowing like friends of friends, 1617 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,120 but being lazy and not getting her email and be like, 1618 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,200 I don't know if she's gonna say no. 1619 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,200 And emailing her about my film, and within seconds, 1620 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,600 she messaged back, and was like, 1621 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,480 I literally am sitting here with my family 1622 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,520 talking about this book that you mentioned, 1623 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,280 and also I'm a witch, let's make this. 1624 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,040 And I was like, okay, and that happened again, 1625 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,960 and again, with so many people that I knew, you know, 1626 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,920 maybe from various friends, 1627 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,720 or I'd worked with once or twice, all of them were a yes. 1628 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,120 So that is your signal, your bat signal, 1629 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,120 if you were a film maker, so you reach out 1630 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,920 and ask the actors, they almost likely say yes. 1631 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,120 - Yeah, again, I think we just, 1632 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,280 we all wanna help each other. 1633 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,480 I mean, even if you can't help, 1634 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,320 'cause I have tons of people who reach out, 1635 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,120 they're like, hey, tell me if you hear of anything, 1636 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,760 blah, blah, blah, blah, and I can't help them, 1637 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,640 but it's a community, and it's like, 1638 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,400 I like to say it's a team sport. 1639 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,640 We're all in this together, 1640 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,520 and we all wanna do stuff because you never know. 1641 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,520 There's no money in it, but any movie could be 1642 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,200 the next obsession, but there's-- 1643 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,200 - But there's magic in it. 1644 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,080 - Magic in it, that's a way better way to put it. 1645 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,040 - So when I just finished the short film that Robb 1646 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,400 thankfully did the music for me, 1647 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,720 was completely a labor love, 1648 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,320 and I haven't done one of those in years and years. 1649 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,960 So it literally was just happened to a friend of mine, 1650 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,800 and I was like, I need to make a film about this. 1651 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,240 I reached out to a few people, and every single person was like, 1652 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:19,080 yeah, let's do it. 1653 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,800 I'm on hiatus this month, let's go. 1654 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,640 And I had so many people come to the table 1655 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,600 with amazing equipment with their skills, 1656 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,320 and I was able to make this beautiful film 1657 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,080 that I just wrapped yesterday, 1658 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,080 and it's all set in the show. 1659 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,720 - Day! - I think it's crossed 1660 00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:31,560 for still here. 1661 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,440 - Congratulations. 1662 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,720 - Thank you. 1663 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,400 So do you have anything else, Robb? 1664 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,840 - No, and it's getting to the time to end it, 1665 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,000 but that was a nice breezy conversation. 1666 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,520 I think we covered so much stuff. 1667 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,840 - This was fun, you guys, thank you. 1668 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,440 - Yeah, thank you for being on. 1669 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,760 - No, thank you, but before we wrap up, 1670 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,880 we do have a couple of final questions for you. 1671 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,720 If you could go back to the very beginning, 1672 00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:58,560 yes, it's 2015, you're pregnant, 1673 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,360 and all your roles are drying up, 1674 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,320 and you're about to start this road. 1675 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,240 What piece of advice would you give yourself 1676 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:07,520 to either warn yourself about what to watch out for 1677 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,760 or to make it easier for yourself? 1678 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,040 - Well, we already know that we shouldn't warn ourselves 1679 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,040 certain things that might dissuade us. 1680 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,760 Real butterfly effect here, or drier-cut record. 1681 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,920 I would get that list of deliverables earlier. 1682 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,800 I would start to amass all the things that I could 1683 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:23,680 during production. 1684 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,520 My releases, my stills, all that stuff, 1685 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,000 I would start to organize it ahead of time, 1686 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,080 because now I do that, and now it makes it immensely easier. 1687 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,320 I found my organizational flow, I guess, in my own age. 1688 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,440 But I would give myself a little organizational help, 1689 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,120 but I think I would have to jump into it just as blind 1690 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,280 and crazy to get it done. 1691 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,160 - Yeah, there's no way, there's no way to know. 1692 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,320 - No. - Yeah, you would just dissuade yourself 1693 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,800 of all of it, you would not have it. 1694 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,400 - But I'm so glad I did, I'm so glad I did, 1695 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,560 Past Paula, good job. 1696 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,600 So do make your thing, tell the story. 1697 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,280 - Absolutely, but I think that take away 1698 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,520 that there are vegetables with everything. 1699 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,040 It can't all be the Sunday dessert of the production. 1700 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,960 You gotta eat your Brussels sprouts, 1701 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,960 and the Brussels sprouts here are all a fucking paperwork 1702 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,520 and dealing with the guilds and all that stuff that sucks, 1703 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,240 but it's important for the process. 1704 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,160 - But it's not impossible, and dumb our people 1705 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,640 then we are, do it every single day. 1706 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,480 - I did it, and I'm definitely dumb, or do you are? 1707 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,800 - There you go. 1708 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,800 I think you're smart guy, Robb, but I'm pretty dumb myself. 1709 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:27,640 - It's not, it's not. 1710 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,080 It's not as bad with all the skills. 1711 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,240 There's skills, and then there's smart, okay? 1712 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,800 - I have one more question for you, Paula, the last question. 1713 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,000 So this movie, Delicate State, is great, 1714 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,840 and we've been talking about it a lot, 1715 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,960 but where can people see it? 1716 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:42,960 Do you have distribution? 1717 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,800 Is it online? Do you have a physical release? 1718 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,480 And then more importantly, where can they find you 1719 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,640 on the interwebs to see what else you're doing? 1720 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,920 - I do indeed have all of those answers. 1721 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,680 So depending on when they're listening to this, 1722 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,600 I have a distribution for at least another, 1723 00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,600 I think two years, you or two. 1724 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,000 So you'll be able to still find it on Amazon Prime. 1725 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,440 You can find it on all the streaming, so I believe. 1726 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,000 You could get it on Apple TV, you can get it on Tubi, 1727 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,040 you should be able to get it on Roku. 1728 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,880 There's a library one, I'm forgetting the name of, 1729 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,200 and I think 36 countries, it has various subtitles. 1730 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,600 So hopefully you can find it all over the place, 1731 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,440 just where you like to watch movies. 1732 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,200 Or if not, you know, message me. 1733 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,120 You can find me on Instagram. 1734 00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,000 Probably easiest to find me there, should you need to, 1735 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,200 but also TikTok on occasion, although I keep deleting it 1736 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,680 and re-putting it on my phone, we'll see. 1737 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,880 It’s @paula_rhodes because I use my creativity 1738 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,080 for other things, guys. 1739 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,400 (laughing) 1740 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:43,720 Oh, I also have a website, you can find me at 1741 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,560 officialpaularhodes.com. 1742 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,480 No, we'll lead you into everything. 1743 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,720 - There it is. - Thank you Paula. 1744 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,080 Thank you Paula for the great conversation, 1745 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,680 for the wonderful movie, for everything. 1746 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:53,520 Thank you so much. 1747 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,360 - It was a delight. 1748 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,720 - Yeah, and that does it for us. 1749 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,200 If you have any questions about filmmaking 1750 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,000 or movies in general, please email us at 1751 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,840 indiefilmlodge@gmail.com. 1752 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,360 We'd love to hear you and maybe we'll even use your question 1753 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,600 on a future episode. 1754 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,120 - And in the meantime, tell your friends about us. 1755 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,000 And remember, the only thing holding you back is you. 1756 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,720 So get out there and shoot your feature. 1757 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,000 I’m Matt. - I’m Robb. 1758 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,000 - And we'll see you next time. 1759 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:14,840 - Yay! 1760 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,440 (upbeat music) 1761 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,020 (upbeat music) 1762 01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:25,020 (upbeat music)